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norm but extra red
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Jr Nimeskern
Snake lover for lifer
hey Pip what is the Genotype of the babies? You said the father was a sunglow? so that would make him just a Amel? unless he was het for somthing else... the mother was just a plain normal? what babies came out of the batch from the sunglow dad and the normal mom? anything other then normals? if the mom was just a normal and the father just a Amel... then your babies will come out...
1/4 will be amels
1/2 will be normals het for amel
1/4 will be normals het for nothing...
This is the basic ratio for a het mutant to a het mutant... the 1:2:1 ratio!
1/4 will be amels
1/2 will be normals het for amel
1/4 will be normals het for nothing...
This is the basic ratio for a het mutant to a het mutant... the 1:2:1 ratio!
Jr Nimeskern
Snake lover for lifer
HMMM well since you can see that you had Amels and Normals from the parents you can say that your female is Normal het Amel... the babies even though they might be expressing a little more red then usual are still considered normals... All the normals are het Amel... and if you breed them then you will get the 1:2:1 ratio (Genotype) but the ratio for the Phenotype is 3:1 with Amels being the 1 and the Normals being the 3... I love the enhanced red on your babies... maybe you should test cross the mother and the father to see if one of them is het Hypo? Sometimes even when a the hypo gene is heterozygous it still shows a little in the phenotype even though it isnt really present...
Here is a pic of one of my Normals that show enhanced red and its genotype is Het Bloodred, Hypo and Anery A
Here is a pic of one of my Normals that show enhanced red and its genotype is Het Bloodred, Hypo and Anery A
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Jr Nimeskern
Snake lover for lifer
This is something I dont really understand... how could Hypo and Amel show in the same animal? Cause it cant! the Amel gene allows the animal to have no black... the Hypo gene allows the animal to express black but a lack of it, since hypo takes away some of the black... If you combined the Amel and the Hypo gene the Animal would still only show Amel sine their is no Black for the hypo gene to take away from... When I see people selling Hypo Snows... how is that possible when the hypo gene doesnt enhance anything other then the darker colors... I thought a sunglow Cornsnake was a Amel that was selectivly bred to show little to no white in it... it isnt a hypo its a selectivly bred corn... but the hypo gene might have been with the Male sunglow... but this is something Im a little confused on if someone could help me out...
Ps I wasnt attacking you Matt I was just wondering what is what... thanks for reminding me about my question
Ps I wasnt attacking you Matt I was just wondering what is what... thanks for reminding me about my question
Clint Boyer
'Former' Snake slave
Amel and Hypo.......
This is a very confusing topic.
Some breeders do use hypo in their Sunglow projects. Some use selective breeding to get the look.
I have heard that there are a couple of different ways that hypomelanism affects appearance. The most common understanding is the reduction of pigment in the black areas. The other form is the reduction of area in which the black would appear. If one scale was hypo in the first sense, it would be a more gray color. If it were hypo in the second sense, it may have just a slight bit of grey and the rest of the scale would be orange or red. So when hypo appears with amel in the second sense the areas that would have been white from the removal of melanine, are diminished, leaving a more solid orange/red snake (Sunglow). Does that make sense???????
This is a very confusing topic.
Some breeders do use hypo in their Sunglow projects. Some use selective breeding to get the look.
I have heard that there are a couple of different ways that hypomelanism affects appearance. The most common understanding is the reduction of pigment in the black areas. The other form is the reduction of area in which the black would appear. If one scale was hypo in the first sense, it would be a more gray color. If it were hypo in the second sense, it may have just a slight bit of grey and the rest of the scale would be orange or red. So when hypo appears with amel in the second sense the areas that would have been white from the removal of melanine, are diminished, leaving a more solid orange/red snake (Sunglow). Does that make sense???????
Matt L
New member
JR,
I didn't think you were attacking me. This is just open conversation. I have a hard time expressing emotion with my words. I'm really an easy going guy. Anyway I have an amel motley and an hypomelanistic amel motley or what I would call sunglow (this is fact). This is what brings me to my conclusion that the hypo gene plays a role in what we have come to know as sunglow. I know that motley itself has its own enhancement to brighten, but these two are quite different. It may be the combination of motley and hypo creating this effect. I know there is alot of questions about the hypo gene and even hypo b and now Rich thinks he has stumbled onto another hypo variation. Where does it end? I think we have alot ahead of us on the horizon!
Matt L.
I didn't think you were attacking me. This is just open conversation. I have a hard time expressing emotion with my words. I'm really an easy going guy. Anyway I have an amel motley and an hypomelanistic amel motley or what I would call sunglow (this is fact). This is what brings me to my conclusion that the hypo gene plays a role in what we have come to know as sunglow. I know that motley itself has its own enhancement to brighten, but these two are quite different. It may be the combination of motley and hypo creating this effect. I know there is alot of questions about the hypo gene and even hypo b and now Rich thinks he has stumbled onto another hypo variation. Where does it end? I think we have alot ahead of us on the horizon!
Matt L.
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Jr Nimeskern
Snake lover for lifer
Yes I do agree that theres alot of new genes out there needing to be exploried... Im glad you didnt think I wasnt attacking you because sometimes its hard to express yourself on the internet... sometimes people take things the wrong way! I just dont want anyone thinking Im a mean guy... but yes Im not to sure how to classify the sunglow... most people just say that its a enhanced amel that lacks most white... I dont know if the Hypo gene does play a role with the lack of white! I just know that the sunglow is a very beautiful corn snake!
... but yes Im not to sure how to classify the sunglow... most people just say that its a enhanced amel that lacks most white... I dont know if the Hypo gene does play a role with the lack of white! I just know that the sunglow is a very beautiful corn snake!
Serpwidgets
New member
What Clint said.
Also, Don Soderberg has said that he uses hypo in his sunglows. I just have a hard time believing he would do so if he didn't see any benefit in it. He has also mentioned that the snows which are homozygous for hypo look very different from the non-hypo snows. At least in his bloodlines (I've also heard of other hypo snows looking the same as "standard" snows)
IMO the assumption that hypomelanism is "the reduction of melanin" may be accurate, but not complete. I think at the very least there are certain hypo bloodlines that are strongly associated with other influences.
After all, it's just a name someone gave the trait very shortly after it was discovered.
BTW nice normals. I'm still thinking there have to be hypo and hyper traits possible with red and orange and yellow... maybe some of those are present in lavs or caramels. It seems like nobody really looks hard at normals to see if they might have something of that nature in their bloodlines. I'm hoping to see if anything interesting can come from one of my "normals" who has tons of orange ground color... probably a pipe dream but who knows, at least it's fun.
Also, Don Soderberg has said that he uses hypo in his sunglows. I just have a hard time believing he would do so if he didn't see any benefit in it. He has also mentioned that the snows which are homozygous for hypo look very different from the non-hypo snows. At least in his bloodlines (I've also heard of other hypo snows looking the same as "standard" snows)
IMO the assumption that hypomelanism is "the reduction of melanin" may be accurate, but not complete. I think at the very least there are certain hypo bloodlines that are strongly associated with other influences.
After all, it's just a name someone gave the trait very shortly after it was discovered.
BTW nice normals. I'm still thinking there have to be hypo and hyper traits possible with red and orange and yellow... maybe some of those are present in lavs or caramels. It seems like nobody really looks hard at normals to see if they might have something of that nature in their bloodlines. I'm hoping to see if anything interesting can come from one of my "normals" who has tons of orange ground color... probably a pipe dream but who knows, at least it's fun.
bobknaptor
Divalicious Member
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