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Peta's "Reasons to go Vegetarian"

LOL......Oh, my, how did I miss this thread. I too will never look at a head of lettuce the same agian. lol.

Yep, that PETA is a scary entity. Hmmm, do you think they advocate killing all the wild lions and other big cats because they eat meat? I think everybody needs to start going out and converting all meat eating animals to vegetarians. Oppppss......WHAT am I supposed to feed my snakes now???? Oh, boy. Think the snakes would notice it wasn't a mouse if I took some brussel sprouts and pressed them into a mouse form?? Ok, that's it, green "mice" tonight for all the slithery friends in my house. :)

Hey, Arson, I read this whole thread and nowhere did I see anyone bashing or even come near to bashing vegetarians. I have no idea where your lashing came from but the only thing I read was people "bashing" and making fun of PETA and their rediculous, over kill (OHHHH can I use that word??) attitude towards meat eating and, of course, the killing of animals for food and clothing. I have no idea where your remarks came from. :shrugs:
 
I wonder if they realize that by owning and getting to know animals allows people to have empathy and understanding for animals. It's our close living with the different species, the 'up close and personal' relationship we have with them in both our homes and zoos that make us realize that we love them and want them to survive forever, so thus we fight to preserve them. We learn that conservation is needed to allow them to survive in the wild. The more you distance yourself from anything, the less empathy you will have for it.

Isn't it the fact that more and more people own snakes and bring said snakes to schools and such in order to educate people that these people learn not to fear (and thus not chop the heads off of said) but to appreciate the diversity that living creatures give us on earth? Don't we learn compassion for animals by being with them?

Granted, they would say that if you have empathy and compassion for a species you would not want to kill it for food and clothing. But, having empathy for the species as a whole and having the need to eat are two different things. Regretfully in life things aren't perfect, and never will be. We have to eat, the lion has to eat, the ant has to eat, and we all are going to eat the ones on the lower rungs of the ladder. That is life. That is death. Yes, we should work to better things, I'm all for that, but going overboard is not the answer. Yes, I would like to see our slaughter houses more humanly run and the farms that raise the livestock as well maintained as humanly possible. I think animals should be quickly and humanly killed, and that is what we should be working towards, not erradicating the food meant from our diets.

You know, I would love to see these PETA people IF they ever found themselves in a situation where the only food available to them was the cow in the back yard or the grass on the ground. Now, do they really think they would let themselves die to spare the cow's feelings? LOL.

And all I can say about soy products and "fake" burgers is YUCK.....they can have those awful, disgusting tasting things. My daughter has tried repeatedly to get me to be a vegetarian but I do NOT like the taste of that stuff!

One of the things I found REALLY funny on those are listed was the one about animal meat containing all kinds of pesticides and "poisons". LOL.....WELL, let me see, the apple and the green beans these vegetarians eat are TOTALLY poison and pesticide free, hey? LOL What planet are they living on anyway? WHERE do they think the VEGETATION eating animals get the pesticides in their bodies from, anyway. That is WAY too funny. AND for what reason are we spreading pesticides? For the meat eaters or the vegetarian eaters? MAN they have a lot of nerve picking on the people who like to eat meat and love to own their pets.
 
gardenmum said:
Hey, Arson, I read this whole thread and nowhere did I see anyone bashing or even come near to bashing vegetarians. I have no idea where your lashing came from but the only thing I read was people "bashing" and making fun of PETA and their rediculous, over kill (OHHHH can I use that word??) attitude towards meat eating and, of course, the killing of animals for food and clothing. I have no idea where your remarks came from. :shrugs:
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Since there seems to be some confusion about where my response came from I'll spell it out.

The first paragraph I responded with my own general opinion related to the discussion in the thread.

The second paragraph was explaining how many people who DO bash vegetarian express themselves and my own disapproval of them. Beginning with this sentence:

It's amazing, though, how defensive some people get simply being in the presence of a vegetarian.
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...I had hoped it was evident that I wasn't replying directly to anyone here on the board. I just wanted to point out how many people respond and that I think it's ridiculous.

The third paragraph was directly relating to a conversation between myself and E_g_guttata in the chatroom the previous night.
 
As if PETA wasn't bad enough, here in Canada, a couple of high profile enviro-geeks (I use that term in the nicest possible way) are suing KFC because they believe that the fast food chain in unneccesarily mean to the chickens :eek1:

Figure that one out :shrugs:
 
gardenmum said:
And all I can say about soy products and "fake" burgers is YUCK.....they can have those awful, disgusting tasting things. My daughter has tried repeatedly to get me to be a vegetarian but I do NOT like the taste of that stuff!
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Yeah, me too. I hate the majority of that soy stuff, however, my mom had me try some of this fake chicken stuff on Easter and I was very surprised by it. It actually was pretty good and even had the consistency of chicken. It wouldn't get me to stop eating chicken, but apparently these companies are getting much better at making the soy products taste like the real thing.

gardenmum said:
One of the things I found REALLY funny on those are listed was the one about animal meat containing all kinds of pesticides and "poisons". LOL.....WELL, let me see, the apple and the green beans these vegetarians eat are TOTALLY poison and pesticide free, hey? LOL What planet are they living on anyway? WHERE do they think the VEGETATION eating animals get the pesticides in their bodies from, anyway.
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Actually most of the vegetarians I know either grow their own veggies or make sure to buy organicly grown foods in order to try to avoid pesticides.
 
Amanda E said:
Actually most of the vegetarians I know either grow their own veggies or make sure to buy organicly grown foods in order to try to avoid pesticides.
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Yep, but they fertilize organicly grown veggies with manure, that's how they get contaminated with E-coli.
 
MAry-Beth is KoRny said:
Yep, but they fertilize organicly grown veggies with manure, that's how they get contaminated with E-coli.
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Ironic you should mention that.

If you or your family eat dairy or meat products, going organic is especially beneficial. Antibiotic drugs, prohibited in organic farming, are routinely fed to non-organic, “factory farm” animals, whether they are sick or not, to prevent profit-reducing disease. Residues from these antibiotics show up in the meat, poultry, and dairy products we eat, creating dangerous antibiotic-resistant pathogens in our bloodstreams. Additionally, government statistics show that most non-organic beef cattle are contaminated with e-Coli bacteria, over 90 percent of chickens with campylobacter (another harmful bacteria), and 30 percent of poultry with salmonella. While the Center for Disease Control reports at least 76 million cases of food poisoning every year in the U.S., there are no documented cases of organic meat or poultry causing them. A United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO) report, published in July of last year, endorsed organic agriculture, citing research suggesting that organic practices can reduce e-Coli infection.
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Found here: http://www.nbhonline.com/articles/Food/organic.html

Whether you're vegetarian or not, organically grown foods are a real consideration. There are too many benefits and, aside from cost at this time, no significant downsides to toss the choice out the window.
 
It is kind of funny, "meat has poop!", yet what do we grow vegitables in? POOP!
People have all these weird hangups like "OMG, they don't put prime meat in hot dogs!" but really, as long as it's tastey and won't make me sick I don't care. (ok, these days I'm concerned with nutrition too... turkey is such an excellent source of lean protein!)

Arson -- yeah, name a cause and there will be people who are stupid about it, be it vegitarianism or meat eating. Unfortunately, obnoxious high-vocal yet nonsensical groups like PETA make it worse for the people with more moderate views >:p But even without PETA I'm sure some people would still be dorks to vegitarians!

I <3 meat myself, though my stay at a liberal arts college didn't leave me completely unscathed; (I think half the people there were either vegitarian or vegan, but usually the non-obnoxious sort) I am quite dubious of the meat industry at large... But I just try to buy "cage free" (or free range, when I can find it) animal products. (and organic, but "cage free/free range" is almost always organic too) More expensive, but hey!

PETA -- People Eating Tastey Animals :D
 
As a Ethicly minded Sportsmen, Outdoorsmen, Conservation minded meat eating country boy, who houses two corns, two birds, a red ear slider, a 50 gallon aquarium full of fish that i breed, And two hungry kids that think a hamberger with fries is a well balanced diet. I hope yall realize just how dangerous PETA really is. These NUTS will not stop untill you are no longer allowed to keep a animal as a pet. This includes corns and everything else.

I dont think there is anything wrong with vegetable only eating. People have there reasons for this just like i think red meat is one of the best foods for you. Chicken is a terriably nasty animal that will eat anything. I used to raise them.

Thanks for posting this orginally you have just help raise awarness on just how these people work. Alltough the guide to vegetarian way off life is very mild compared to some of the extreme steps they will take. This is how they get funding from people who dont realize just what these Nuts are capable of.
 
On that more serious note: anyone know about the "Humanitarian Society"? The big one, I mean. I've been hearing rumors that while they pretend to help local shelters, they actually do nothing of the sort, and instead give donation money to radical groups like PETA.
 
Arson said:
For the record, I am NOT NOT NOT defending PETA. Only trying to defend and dispel rumors for vegetarians. Please do not associate all vegetarians with PETA. This is rarely the case.
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I'm sorry you have come across so many people that think vegitarians are PETA extreamists. :(
 
If people want to be vegetarian that's fine because we humans are omnivorous and can survive without meat. But what I call cruelty to animals is when people try to turn their pets into vegetarians. If something is a carnivore like a cat or snake it needs meat to survive, it's the circle of life and without the meat eaters the world would be overrun with herbivores! (Mmmm...steak for dinner tonight!)
 
I think anyone over the age of twenty realizes that few vegetarians are members of PETA! All PETA members I've ever run across are vegetarians, though! Big distinction.
 
Personally, I raise my own meat. Bunnies are sooo delicious! and they take almost no space and time, unlike cattle. You can also buy surplus bunnies from 4H kids for premium prices, once I got an 18 lb. buck that had been murdering all the kid's female rabbits, for free!! He was sooo yummy (mmm, evil..) :eatpointe:

It is very sad, there are some people locally that make their cats eat tofu, and nothing else. How horrible! I used to be a vegetarian, (3 years) but got very sick from it, and started eating meat again. I also realized that vegetarianism is "Animal Supremecy!" (whoo! go food chain!)

Also, soy is very bad for you!! It has a large amount of plant estrogens. They bind to the estrogen receptors in your body. They don't work as well as human estrogen, so can cause problems for women (i.e. not enough estrogen) and cause problems for men (i.e. too much estrogen). In Olympia where I grew up there are a ton of vegans. What really struck me about them, is the ones relying heavily on soy based foods have a very androgenous look. Combine that with the fabled "hippie hygene" they felt they needed to adhere to, and you have a lot of heavily bearded females.

Also, almost all the strains of soy being grown today are genetically modified, and takes a large amount of pesticides to grow. I don't care how much plant material cattle consume, none of what they eat is fit for humans or requires much in the way of pesticides. If any of you have driven through Wyoming or Idaho you know what I mean.
 
I used to raise rabbits, and will again. You're right, they are yummy! I only ate my plain ones though...never my lops, too cute :p

My red tail will think they are very yummy in a couple of years too!
 
all seriousness aside...

i havent laughed so hard in a long time!!!!! :grin01:
thanks for posting this thread, its a real eye opener. i eat meat. always will. but i dont condone cruelty to animals at all. i have 2 cats, a dog and a corn snake and all are healthy, active and on vet-recommended diets (except the corn who eats mice, duh :) )
i see too many cases of cruelty and if organizations like PETA need to exist (which apparantly they do because they wont go away) they should be taking action against TRUE cases of cruelty. not people who like to keep herps and mammals as loving members of a family.
just my 2 cents
 
" if organizations like PETA need to exist (which apparantly they do because they wont go away)"

PETA doesn't fail to go away because there is a need for them anymore than Hammas doesn't go away. As long as there are extremists dying for recognition, such groups will exist. These people so insulate themselves around others who share their world view, they begin to think that they are "normal," and worse, that everyone thinks like they do. The PETA girl I knew seriously had never before met anyone who was voting for Bush. This came up when I said she could go ahead and write in Nader or whoever since Bush has this state locked. All political knowledge comes from Air America, Farenheight 911, and like minded friends' web blogs.
 
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