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Pewter and diffusion...

Grima

Grima

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Hi there!
I was wondering how a newly hatched pewter looks like. It has a grey head and a clear belly but is the blotches diffused from the time it hatch or is it first visible after a few weeks/months? The reason I ask is because I have just recieved a little hatchling from USA and it is supposed to be a charcoal, but as far as I am concerned it looks like a pewter and it fits my description of grey head and clear belly, but the saddles are not diffused.....
Can it be a pewter, a het. pewter or is i a strange looking charcoal.
What do you think?

Thanks! :)

-Rikke
 
How about a photo of the little one?

It sounds like you might have an outcrossed blood (+ homo charcoal) there from the description, but it wouldn't be so likely that someone would sell you a pewter at a charcoal price!

The diffused effect comes out a bit later on. You should see some good blurring going on by 6 months and it might take 2+ years for the full effect.

By the way...is this Rikke who bought the 1.1 amel h. caramels from me??

Cheers,
Adèle in Malmö
 
The plain belly sure would indicate some possible diffusion, either het or homozygous. As hatchlings, you'll see dorsal blotches on both, but a pewter will show the diffusion on the sides and then, as it ages, possibly in the dorsal pattern as well.
1st pic - pewter hatchling
2nd pic - charcoal hatchling
3rd pic - yearling pewter
4th pic - subadult charcoal
 
A couple pewter hatchling pics, right out of the egg...

(showing the completely clear belly and the thick tiger stripes at the mouth that seem to fade out on the lower lip versus the more numerous thin stripes of a charcoal)

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(an example of what I mean by thinner tiger bars that extend down onto the lips in charcoals...)
 

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Hurley said:
A couple pewter hatchling pics, right out of the egg...

(showing the completely clear belly and the thick tiger stripes at the mouth that seem to fade out on the lower lip versus the more numerous thin stripes of a charcoal)]
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Thanks! I didn't know that. :)
 
Hi all!
I will post pics as soon as possible!
Thanks for all the pictures postet - it helps a lot. The little guy do not have any diffusion at all. I must admit that his belly is not as clear as on the bellypics you have postet Connie. It looks like there is chekering on both the sides of the bellyscales but the middle is totally clear.
Also he is very light grey like the pewter hatchling , just without the diffusion.
His head looks exactly like the pewterhatchlings if not even lighter.
I am not sure but I dont think he has the thinner tigerstripes on the lower lip but I will chek as soon as I get home and ofcours post some pics right away!
I have bought him trough a petstore who ordered a great number of cornmorphs from the US. so that maybe explane how a mixup could have happened
Hey Adele :) Yes I bought those two Amels from you.
They are both doing great and the male is catching up with his girlfriend :cheers:

- Rikke
 
From what you are describing, I would hedge a bet that the snake is a charcoal het diffusion (pewter). They can have peppering at the sides of the belly, but if there are checkers or parts of checkers there, my experience has been that it's a very pronounced het for diffusion...the main reason why I consider diffusion a variably expressed codominant gene.

I'd love to see pics of your little one.
 
Finally home!

Finally I am home with my own computer !
Here are some pics of my snake. I can´t wait to get your opinions :) :)
 
He's amazing! The contrast caused by the black saddle borders are truly, truly awesome! I do think it is a charcoal, I think I've seen such before but I can imagine your doubts cause of the head, it looks quite light and the pearly shimmering I remind seeing on pewters indeed! He's gonna bring you some exciting breeding experiments!
 
That is a charcoal, and is not a pewter.

I agree with Connie, sure looks like a charcoal het bloodred (pewter).
 
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