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picking up a new line (species) of snakes

cornbreadandmilk

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I am considering picking up a new species of snakes after I graduate.

THINKING

GARTERS,HOGS OR SAND BOAS

what in your opinion are the better snakes to keep and sell which has the better market?

which has the cheapest investment

im thinking

$garter
$$sand boas
$$$$hog
 
Unfortunately, I have no experience with any of these... I personally would find sand boas and hogs more exciting (growing up around garters, I know they don't really hold on to you the same way a constrictor does, or get very large). Hoggies have kind of funny looking faces, in a cute way. I also heard from BHB Reptiles that they bump your hand, more so than bite, when defensive - which sounds neat actually! Although, getting a deserty critter like a sand boa would be cool...

Ya, I'm a lot of help... clearly... Good luck! :)
 
Personally, I'd go with the hogs or garters, both have more personality, IMHO. I know lots of people that gush over their Sand Boas and just love them but I've got one and he's really a very inoffensive little snake, eats well, is calm and docile and everything, he's even occasionally on top of the substrate and visible but I just don't enjoy holding him, he doesn't grip onto you at all and I have a hard time not dropping him. So, I guess it would really depend on what you personally like better.

KSBs and garters are live bearers and hogs egg layers. KSBs and Hogs generally go for more money, KSBs are easier to get into morphs without breaking the bank. KSBs and garters have a better rep for being able to get babies eating easily but baby garters often require small live fish and very small pinky parts to get started, which some find easy but would be harder for other people.
Garters can sell for quite a bit too but they are more of a niche market for the pricier ones.
Both KSBs and Hogs have a pretty strong market and one much wider than the garter market.
I believe all three are not very difficult to breed successfully.
 
This is being said with no real snake knowledge but I like sand boas. They look like chunky worms. That concludes my imput lol.
 
My vote is for whatever is easiest to get started on eating! So probably sand boa (no clue about what they eat), but hoggies eat amphibians in the wild and I have heard of people having difficulty getting them to eat mice, and garters also eat amphibians.
 
I've kept all and like all. When you say "best market" are you looking to breed high end morphs? Then the answer is Western hognose, all day and twice on Thursday.

"Better snakes to keep and sell?" Well, they are all easy to keep, at least once babies learn to eat*. <-note asterisk

"Sell?" I would say hogs have by far the best market, distantly followed by sand boas, and garters are under-appreciated. I like mouse eaters in dry cages, so garters aren't something I keep any longer, though I have seen some huge ones on a largely mouse diet -there was a guy locally with lots of garter species in our herp club, and many were beautiful and larger than I'd ever seen garters get.

Sand boas are pretty worms, and there are some neat mutations coming out. I can see getting hooked on those, their little beady eyes and snub faces are awesome in any color. Google a striped Kenyan some time! Just wicked looking. I wish they were a little bigger and more outgoing.

Hogs fast (go off of feed), not all of them, and not at any particular time of year, and not every year; but they go off of feed for weeks and months at a time sometimes. They pretty much always start eating again one day, though. Males are worse for this. That personality trait isn't for the worrisome. Also, hognose can give a nasty bite if you are careless at feeding time. Females are worse for this. They will not bite defensively, but are not good snakes to feed in a tub, IMO. For about an hour after eating, many of them will chew on everything. *Remember that little asterisk form earlier? Well, as ravenous as some adult hogs are, babies can be a PITA. Become a Jedi master at getting baby corns started before your first clutch a clutch of baby hogs and you'll be okay. Hopefully.

"What is the cheapest investment?" Are you asking what the least expensive of these snakes is? A more common garter, for sure. If you are buying inexpensive stock, your "investment" isn't going to pay for your mouse bills, though -barring a miracle stroke of reverse Murphy luck. You simply will not be buying animals of which will make babies you can reliably sell to cover feed/bedding/occasional vet bills. I wouldn't look at buying any commonly kept species of snake as an "investment."

I *do* have several snakes I consider investments, and I do breed, but my more common mutations are never bred anymore. As much as I love Okeetees, there is no reason for me to make any more of them. My "investment" snakes aren't really even anything I plan to profit on, but if they pay for themselves and allow me to trade for some more neat stuff, then it keeps this hobby rolling for me.
 
I agree with everything chip said. My parents have hogs and ksb. I was bit by the female and they are rear fanged slightly venomous so my thumb swelled quite nice and it was a pain to get her off since she was chewing, but if I ever picked up on another species it would be hogs. I am one that does not appreciate the garters.
 
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