Pippies with a surprise

[PtDnsr]

Right. So our first clutch is hatching as I speak. This is from Sunny (sunglow het anery) and Big Bob (blizzard) and only gave me 6 good eggs. I was expecting all amels het charcoal poss het anery. So imagine my surprise as I looked at these two noses when I checked on them today.

So it's either one of three situations:

1) Sunny retained sperm from last year's breeding (to a sunglow motley het anery) and somehow this sperm survived (with a second clutch fertility of almost nil)

2) Big Bob is het anery and my odds so far have been really good

3) Big Bob is actually homo anery somehow.

Any thoughts on what might be going on would be appreciated. It's a nice surprise whatever it is. I only have six eggs so I'll keep everyone posted when those noses poke out. Talk about being surprised about two snow noses! (Although I guess they could be blizzard noses...which would present 4 - Sunny is also het charcoal). Ack!

~Katie

 

[jaxom1957]

2) Big Bob is het anery and my odds so far have been really good

3) Big Bob is actually homo anery somehow.

Most likely answer is that your Blizzard is a Snow.

 

[Susan]

Most likely answer is that your Blizzard is a Snow.

Either of those options are good choices. Best way to find out is to test him with a known charcoal not het for anery.

 

[PtDnsr]

Duh...forgot to put that one into words. It is a possability since this was his first successful clutch that hatched. He's very white for a snow though (although it is a possability). Next year he's slated for one, possibly two, unrelated blizzard girls so we'll see. I hope he's not a snow 'cause it throws a kink in my breeding plans. I've attached his ACR photo (not the best) and I'll see if I can get another picture of him today. Let's say that he really is a blizzard - what are the chances of the eggs being retained sperm and the chances of him being het anery? I do agree that him being a snow makes the most sense but somehow he doesn't "look" snow to me - doesn't look anything like the other three adult snows we have (which doesn't prove anything).

~Katie

 

[Gronk]

Big gratz Katie....love those suprize hets ! <G>

 

[PtDnsr]

Right...so three more have stuck their heads out. Now I'm faced with a lovely dilemma. So far it's 4 snows and only 1 amel. Now this guy doesn't look like a typical snow. You can hardly see any pattern and it's only a faint trace. Based on the hatchlings I have I can only guess that he's actually a snow and that's why the percentage of snows is so high. What are the odds of him being homo amel, charcoal and anery (and does anyone have any pics of an adult)?? I'm just not sure - he was sold as a blizzard and I have no reason to doubt the seller - it's not as if it's an uncommon morph really. :headbang: Gah! I guess I'll have to sell these guys as snows poss het charcoal in Daytona since I don't know for sure. And of course this means at least one holdback (that I wasn't planning on) from the clutch. Any more thoughts are appreciated!

~Katie

P.S. - More pics tomorrow, I forgot the camera at my parents house.

 

[TandJ]

Humm..

Could this be the case Katie?? I would not think it is likely, but who knows..


Male is, Blizzard, Anerythristic
Female is, Amelanistic, Het for Anery, Het for Charcoal

Offspring are predicted to be...
25.00%, Blizzard, Anerythristic
25.00%, Blizzard, Het for Anery
25.00%, Snow, Het for Charcoal
25.00%, Amelanistic, Het for Anery, Het for Charcoal


Regards.. Tim of T and J

 

[PtDnsr]

Humm..

Could this be the case Katie?? I would not think it is likely, but who knows..


Male is, Blizzard, Anerythristic
Female is, Amelanistic, Het for Anery, Het for Charcoal

Offspring are predicted to be...
25.00%, Blizzard, Anerythristic
25.00%, Blizzard, Het for Anery
25.00%, Snow, Het for Charcoal
25.00%, Amelanistic, Het for Anery, Het for Charcoal


Regards.. Tim of T and J

Truthfully anything is possible with these two. I bought him at a Maryland show as a blizzard with unknown hets and her at a Pennsylvania show as a sunglow with unknown hets but as a proven breeder. Does anyone know if charcoal masks anery or vice versa? Or even what the effect is? The thing is all the babies are very pink and white - I would think newly hatched blizzards would not be as pink but you never know. Since anery is somewhat more common than charcoal I'd think that he's het or homo anery but it's possible that she's charcoal and that these babies are blizzards. Can anyone tell the difference visually between snows and blizzards? I wasn't planning on having blizzards until next year and haven't seen hatchling blizzards before - we got ours as yearlings or older. I have more pics at my parents and I'll get some pics of the newest pippies up when they get out as well. They just really remind me of my snow hatchlings from last year (which were a surprise from this female as well). Proving the female to be het anery last year also brings up the thought of retained sperm. Her second clutch was on her own and only one baby hatched and was severely kinked. I can't imagine getting six good eggs this year if the second clutch last year wasn't good. Anyone have experience with that?

~Katie

 

[PtDnsr]

Right...so in chat last night we were talking about my snow babies and with the ratios I'm getting it's most likely that Big Bob the "blizzard" is homo for anery. Right now it's 4 out of 5 snows with one left to go. Obviously I'll have to test breed him next year but we believe he is a blizzard - or I guess more accurately a snow blizzard, carrying both anery and charcoal. Anyway - I have tons more pics. These were taken yesterday and today and I'll try to label them as I go (but I can't promise much!).

~Katie

This is #1 or #2 - can't remember which (I think it's the second).

#5 still in the egg

#3 still in the egg (the only amel)

#5 again

#4 out of the egg

#3 once it crawled out of the egg and in my hand - very orange little guy!

#5 out of the egg and in my hand