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rat owners (rodent, not snake)

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Well my son's goldfish of near 6 years gave up. He is a bit upset and we had always planned on replacing it. He is now thinking he wants a more interactive pet and is liking rats. So give me the low down on everything, housing, diet, health, interaction, temperament, life span, best sex for single animal, etc etc etc. Thanks!
 
Wonderful temperaments! Best rodent pet I've ever owned, hands down. However, they are very social and unless you plan on handling it for 7 plus hours a day, a rat really needs a buddy, so it's best to plan on two. I've always liked the females best, but from what I've heard males tend to be lazy cuddle bugs while females tend to want to be going and exploring, not so much coddling with their person. If I was going to get another two rats, this is the cage I'd want, or something similar.
http://www.petco.com/product/106171...ctList_Rat_1-_-PETCO Rat Manor Habitat-106171

Depending on your view point, the biggest draw back to rats are their short lifespans, anywhere from 2 to 6 years.
 
Rats are great...but yep you need two. Males are couch potatoes but are stinky...so prepare to neuter them. Females are wiggly but are also sweet. Rats are not biters unless you stick your fingers into the bars at them.
Check out craigslist...tons of rats on there all the time for some reason. I guess it's hard for people to commit to a whole 2 or 3 years. LOL! Not to mention unplanned litters.
 
Let's see, yes you need 2. I prefer males myself although right now I have 2 of each (seperate cages, seperate playtimes). I don't have my males neutered. They don't smell really bad, kind of smells like warm cornchips. Females are playful, always on the go and tend to be smaller and softer than males. They also tend to get mammory tumors. Males can also get tumors but it is far less likely. My males are huge sweet cuddley guys who love to chill on the couch with me and watch tv. I have a waterproof tablecloth and many many sheets on the couch to keep it nice.
Males are more likely to "mark" you, but females can do it as well. It is a bit icky, but it is their way of telling all the other ratties that they love you and you are "theirs".
Best food I have found is Harlan, from craftyrat.com.
I have had rats live from 17 months to 30 and have kept them for 8 years. Even though they get vet care and the best of everything I am really happy when they make it to 24 months...
and losing something so intelligent, gentle and personable SUCKS...so what do I do? I get more! I love keeping rats as pets and can see having them in my life til the end.
 
we got our daughter a male rat and its honestly like having a miniature dog, she calls it and he will run up her arm and sit on her shoulder lol.... Incredibly smart and loveable
 
we got our daughter a male rat and its honestly like having a miniature dog, she calls it and he will run up her arm and sit on her shoulder lol.... Incredibly smart and loveable

You are lucky. Sometimes keeping a rat alone with no buddies can result in a very unhappy and mentally unbalanced rat. They NEED others of their own kind to have the best life possible. They form bonds with cagemates, and can mourn the death of a cagemate (I have seen that). Rats in the wild can live in colonies of thousands of individuals and recognize every one of them.
 
Sorry to hear about the goldfish. I can't seem to keep goldfish.
It's great that you are looking into getting a rat or two. I have kept males separately and they have done great. But like most people said it is better to keep two. I currently have three females, two hairless and one haired rat, right now. The hairless have great personalities, but require more attention to their health.

Housing: For two rats I recommend going with a two to three Story cage. With the bedding as Carefresh Ultra or Carefresh Color.
Diet: I recommend any Lab blocks and/or a seed mixture found at any local pet store. I put a mixture of the seed diet, because of my hairless rats.

I'm trying to think of anything else. All I say is research, research, and research.
 
Cassandra do you find the Carefresh Ultra high in dust? we just picked up a bag and it was awful

I HATE carefresh and carefresh ultra! I've never had a problem with allergies until I was given a bag of that stuff. It was SO dusty it was horrific. My rodents are on aspen just like the snakes, and they seem quite happy.
 
Cassandra do you find the Carefresh Ultra high in dust? we just picked up a bag and it was awful

I tried the Carefresh Original and the Confetti, but they both was really dusty. I have never tried the Ultra, but I have heard good things about it. The Carefresh Color, preferably purple or blue, is what I mostly use. The color is not dusty and it works great for my male rodents.
 
I had rats for many years and only recently decided to let the colony die out. One reason I got out was because of their short lifespans. I have had around 30+ rats over the years and the oldest made it two weeks past her third birthday. Average rat lifespan is only 18 months. Although almost all of mine made it to the two year mark. Rats are great pets for kids because they are so interactive, smart, and sooooo sweet! I miss having ratties :(
 
What physical size cage would we need for two females? I have some bird cages but they are not 3 story. It is like a 2 foot cube. What do they need to keep teeth healthy and not over grown?
 
Also are there any major differences in personality between the variations? Rex, Fancy, Dumbo, American Blue, African Soft, etc
 
Also are there any major differences in personality between the variations? Rex, Fancy, Dumbo, American Blue, African Soft, etc

I've had hairless not the cutest but very warm to touch, the males smell a little worse then usual. The African from what I've herad are aggressive.
As for carfresh hated it smelly dusty, yuk.
 
Mine also loved tubes like carpet tubes we would hang them from the top, we had one vertical with holes cut into the side and one on the bottom.
 
Also are there any major differences in personality between the variations? Rex, Fancy, Dumbo, American Blue, African Soft, etc

I have had rex, dumbo and "fancy" as well as feeder whites and hoodeds. The rex and dumbos were initially more friendly because the breeder bred them as pets and held them from the first day they were born. The fancys (which really are just feeder rats except for color) and feeders came to me as babies and absolutely terrified of me. Within a week of me socializing them they were as sweet and tame as the rexes and dumbos I had had.
It does not take long for them to learn that you are not going to hurt them, and are the source of treats and scritches.
 
Its recommended 2 sqft of space per rat. But it all depends on how the space is used in the cage. Lots of toys, levels, hammocks, etc in a smaller space is acceptable, as long as they have a place to "escape".

Martins cages makes great rat cages. The R680 would be perfect for two rats. Or, the petsmart my first exotics cage also is perfect. The more space the better! You would rather get something a little bigger than something too small. Too small a cage brings stress and could cause fighting between cage mates.

http://www.amazon.com/Super-Pet-First-Exotics-Large/dp/B000TZ5BRI

http://martinscages.com/products/cages/rat/
 
I HATE carefresh and carefresh ultra! I've never had a problem with allergies until I was given a bag of that stuff. It was SO dusty it was horrific. My rodents are on aspen just like the snakes, and they seem quite happy.

I also detest Carefresh. I put my first guinea on it at the urging of a guinea pig board, and it was AWFUL. It disintegrates when wet, for one thing, and when it does that, it sticks to their toes and fur, and causes abcesses. It has to be cleaned CONSTANTLY, while aspen in an appropriate sized cage is good for up to a week. It's also very pricey.

I said good-bye to that crap and went with aspen-- never looked back!

As far as cages, our female rats are in a Super pets chinchilla cage. It's probably 30" tall x 30" long x 18" deep. I put mimosa branches that I cut from Tara's parents farm into it to make a web of branches and they love running along those and cutting their teeth on them (finally a good thing about mimosa-- it is non-toxic to animals) We also strung up a length of PVC pipe at the top for them to hang out in and that's where they sleep. The cage bottom is a deep tray and we have a pet igloo and their food dish down there, on aspen litter.

We've use hammocks and tunnels made of cloth but they chew those fast.
 
My two cents for the OP.

Housing
Even with pets, I say large tubs are the way to go. It's far more rewarding to buy a 90qt tub, cut out pieces of plastic and glue on screen for ventilation, and make it your own to buy an over priced piece of metal. Tubs also allow for LOTS of room, unlike even multiple stories cages. A 90qt bin, like in that picture, holds 5-6 adult females comfortably, and about 4 or 5 males comfortably.


Diet
For pets, just about any sort of rat/mouse diet will work. You want 15-20% protein and low fat, no higher than around 5%. The rules for any food is that it has NO dyes whatsoever, doesn't have a lot of seeds or is a very varied mix (rats WILL find a favorite tasting bit and eat nothing but that), and has no alfalfa or Timothy hay (only a little if it must have some). I also give lots of treats/table scraps. My breeders love hard boiled eggs (don't allow non breeders to have too much yolk), broccoli (steamed), steamed rice, tortillas, peanuts, and granola.


Health
Just like any rodent, rats are prone to tumors. Feed them right and keep them healthy to keep these away.
Rats are susceptible to RIs and respiratory issues, so pick a bedding with little dust. Normal Carefresh is what I used for my pet boy a few years ago, but it didn't allow for making nests to sleep in or foraging because it was sort of chunky. I think aspen chips with carefresh would be great.


Interaction
All my rats are curious, and a few really love to be held. You want to pick a rat who doesn't mind being petted, doesn't shy away, and will act curious. One of those WILL turn out to be a great rat to walk around the house with on your shoulder. Both my current big breeder and my old pet rat from years back were like that when I got them, and both are absolutely amazing.


Temperament
Again, you want one like how I described. Males are somewhat lazier than females, but seem to enjoy handling the most. Females are pretty spunky and would rather explore than be held, though the two girls I raised from birth do like to occasionally get on my shoulders and just chill. Males are also thicker bodied, but I prefer them, even if they are twice the weight of a same age/size female and have giant testicles.
Males are also very tolerant. My females are kinda spazzy, and one doesn't even like to be touched really or she'll screech like you just tore her tail off.


Life Span
Average is 2.5-4 years or so, but healthy rats can live to be 5 or so. It depends on how well they're cared for and their lineage. However, I feel that their food and their owner's interaction is more important than anything else.
Also, my pet rat from years back was from a pet store, and he lived to be AT LEAST 5 years of age. While breeders probably have lines of long living rats, don't think they're the only way to get a good rat.


Best sex for single animal
Ha ha, that's very funny. Get 2 or 3, you won't regret it.

What physical size cage would we need for two females? I have some bird cages but they are not 3 story. It is like a 2 foot cube. What do they need to keep teeth healthy and not over grown?

Bigger the better. Females love to romp around when they have the space. Males do too, but they squeal pretty loud and sometimes it gets a bit rougher than with females.
Feeding hard foods is all you need to do to keep teeth short, but I recommend a tasty chew toy mounted on the wall, both for chewing and venting the chewing instinct.

Also are there any major differences in personality between the variations? Rex, Fancy, Dumbo, American Blue, African Soft, etc

No.

However, African Soft Furred rats aren't even the same species. Stay away from those unless you have a local breeder nearby who will let you come by every day or few from the moment they have babies and let you play with them until you can take them home. ASFs are freaky things.
 
we are gonna be getitng a new cage for our male in the next couple of weeks and introducing another rat at that time to reduce chances of incident as opposed to adding one into the current cage
 
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