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Regurg Problem...help!

HvyMetalMW

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my 10 month old anery has always eaten well and hasn't had any problems...until now. he has been eating 2 rat pups per week consistently for about 2 months now, and seemed quite happy and healthy on that schedule. however, 2 weeks ago, he regurged what appeared to be a small piece of undigested pup. i waited 12 days and tried feeding again. he ate one pup readily, so i went ahead and gave him a second one. well today there is one whole, undigested regurged rat in his enclosure. he's behaving normally otherwise (his living conditions have not changed at all) except for a tendency to soak in his water bowl far more than usual. the rat pups came from my usual source, which is reliable.

any ideas as to what's wrong with my baby?!?!?! any help would be greatly appreciated.

thanks,
molly:(
 
It sounds like he might be too warm. They can regurge being too warm or cold. If he's keeping one down then stop feeding two for now. Check your temps and make any necessary adjustments. Excessive soaking can mean he's too warm.

If your temps are not the problem check to see if he's getting ready to shed. Some animals will regurge if overfed during a shed cycle.
 
Here is a copy of my regurge treatment FAQ that I send to anyone who is having that problem. Note that you should feed much smaller meals after a regurge. Sorry it is so long, but I tried to write it to fit all of the most likely situations people find themselves in. Hope it helps

Subject: regurge treatment


THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT - once a snake has regurged, especially twice or more, it is more likely to keep on regurging until it dies, unless something is changed about its care and feeding. It is very important NOT to let this continue. PLEASE FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS BELOW VERY CAREFULLY. This is from my FAQ on regurges:

I suspect your problem is probably not bad mice, but about handling too soon, feeding too soon, a stomach "bug", or improper temps. If you make these mistakes once, or even twice, it is not usually a problem if you FOLLOW MY INSTRUCTIONS EXACTLY. But remember, each time it regurges, the stomach acids are depleted, and the whole electrolyte balance is thrown off more and more each time, and it makes it MORE likely that it will continue to throw up until it dies. (those consequences are just my opinons - I do not know if science backs up my conclusions, but my experience certainly does!) That is why it is so important to NOT ALLOW another regurge.

The next month or two is crucial. DO NOT feed it for AT LEAST 8 days since the last regurge. NOT ANYTHING AT ALL! Then get a newborn frozen pinky and cut it in half (or cut off just the head) If she eats it, leave her alone for a whole week. (no handling). Repeat the partial pinkie feeding the following week. Then feed a whole newborn pinkie a week after that, if there has been no reurge. Leave alone for a whole week. If she regurges, wait a week and repeat 1/2 pinkie. If she keeps it down, wait a week and repeat whole pinkie. If she holds down a couple of meals, DO NOT rush back into larger meals and more handling. Treat this seriously. Go very slowly. After 3 successful meals, go to a newborn pink every 5 days. Go back to normal feedings only after 6 successful meals. Always wait to handle until after 3 or 4 days, but only AFTER 6 successful meals. No handling until then (causes stress, need to keep stress down). And NEVER feed again right after a regurge - ALWAYS wait AT LEAST 7 or 8 days, maybe even up to 10 days, and then only feed something that was about 1/2 the size (or less) of what she regurged..

Also, be sure that temps are not too warm or cool. Try to give an area of low to mid 80s on one side and 70s on the other. Too hot or cold will cause regurges.

Grapefruit seed extract can sometimes help if the snake has some sort of "stomach bug" (any microbial problem) as it is a natural remedy that is good against many kinds of pathogens, but not as strong as an antibiotic prescribed by a doctor. This product has been used in agriculture for many years and seems to be very safe, as long as you dilute it with enough water that the acidity does not burn the tissues. A vet has told me he feels that it may somewhat alter the pH of the animal and thus change the way medicines are absorbed. So if you use this product and then take the snake to a vet, mention the treatment so it can be taken into account if the vet decides to change the prescription because of it. It is best to mix it in a glass and taste it to make sure it is not so bitter that the snake refuses to drink it. I have used it on myself and so has my husband. I find it works better on stomach problems than for other symptoms (such as respiratory - I didn't have any luck treating colds or other respiratory problems).You can buy it at a local health food store or online. Please refer to the following website for more background info:
http://www.nutriteam.com/index2.html

The number of days and amounts of food, etc, suggested above are not set in stone. Other people may have success with slightly different formulas, but this is what I found works for me and many of my customers. If this protocol does not work when carefully followed, it is likely that the snake has some severe problems. Your only hope is a QUALIFIED herp vet, who may or may not be able to save your pet.

Please follow my care sheet for the first month or so when starting with new acquisitions (posted on my website for the first month's care of new corns).. The first month is crucial in getting the baby established. It is worth a little extra "coddling" for the first month in order to have a trouble free pet for the next 10 or 15 years or more.

Good luck!
Kathy Love

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CORNUTOPIA / Kathy Love
Captive-Bred Cornsnakes
 
I am curious. I have noticed that several people seem to be feeding their corns rat pups.

I have always felt that the snake gets more nutrients from adult prey (the fully developed bones, gut content other than milk, etc.)

I have long believed in feeding F/T.

What is the benefit of rat pups over adult mice?
 
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