Rich, you have to see this.

[tyflier]

The question begs to be asked, is it cruel (read: child abuse) to show this video to a six year old, if you already think the video is cruel?

Got something to say, Mike? It's best you watch what you say, lest someone misconstrue your words...

Letting my child watch this video to see what sort of reaction she has isn't "child abuse". Certainly allowing a child to be around anyone that sees this video as anything less than torture could be seen that way.

But since my daughter has the ability to recognize right and wrong, unlike so many people in this topic, I'm not worried about a video like this hurting her emotionally.

I would be very concerned, however, with subjecting her to the ridiculous "logic" that says this sort of twisted garbage is somehow justifiable or "funny".

But then again, you, wadie-poo, and other twisted animal abusers would not get within 100 feet of my kid anyhow, so she is safe from that kind of exposure.

The truth of the matter is...we shoot vermin. But we actually dispatch of the vermin, rather than torturing it, abusing it, and allowing it to die a needlessly painful death because it's "funny"...

Guess that's the difference between you and me. I see killing animals as a necessary duty that I must perform no matter how much I hate it. You take pleasure in watching animals fly through the air, only to land, become injured, and die a horribly painful death. You're twisted.

 

[tyflier]

One difference based on what I'm hearing....(and I haven't watched the video yet because I can't at work, but it sounds similar to one I've seen before)...is that these guys are not herpers. The bunny feeder was a herper. Right or wrong aside, the herper (although we might not like him) is one of ours. I believe we have an obligation - and ethical responsibility - to police "our own" to protect our hobby. If the squirrel chunker isn't a herper, then maybe people are less up in arms because he is not perceived as one of us. I'm not saying one action is right or wrong - I'm just saying different reactions might be warranted because of selfish reasons: we want to keep the herper image as clean and respectable as possible.


For clarity, I haven't seen this video. I'm not defending either side of the argument. Cruel, funny, or cruel and funny - I don't know yet. I don't have an opinion nor do I have an opinion about other's opinions given here. I'm just saying that maybe the difference in the strength of the response MAY have a logical basis. Just a thought.

Shrug? ...or I'm completely off base. (For the record, I don't remember actually watching all the bunny tossing video, either.)

I can appreciate that. Heck, I might even agree with the intent, and support that effort.

Just don't condemn one while justifying another, when the two are basically equal. That's all I am saying...

Luffa sponge would be OK. Dang plants deserve it! Hmmm, what about swatting a mosquito away from your face? I know I get ticked when neighbors kill honeybees.

What if they are MINE?

Again...there is a difference between "dispatching" and torturing. I don't have a problem with a person removing vermin from their yard by trap, firearm or poison. I do have a problem with people tossing animals through the air, potentially causing serious injury and slow, painful death, and taking great pleasure and joy from the exprience.

And even after all of that, I still say that anyone can go ahead and do whatever they want, as long as they aren't breaking any laws. It is still everyone's right to treat animals however they see fit. Just don't be such a hypocrite about it. (and I don't mean you, personally, KJUN...in general)

 

[wade]

WOW Chris, you have had a whole bunch of things to say while I was gone to lunch.

For some of you that don’t have time to read everything that has been written here I have a short synopsis of the important points. I don’t want anyone to miss out on the wisdom that Chris has taken the time to share with us.

Chris, please point out anything I may have missed or copied incorrectly. Keep us abreast of new developments.

I don't care what any indviduals do to entertain themselves in their spare time,

With that said, there are a few itsy-bitsy issues..

I ain't saying either one is right OR wrong,

It may not show anything gross or disgusting

I'm not judging what anyone does in their own yard with their own pests OR pets,

I guess it's not really about what gets taped and posted, but who decides to post it

I'm not trying to argue with you, I'm really trying to understand..

I'm just trying to get a handle on what is "acceptable".

And to me...that's twisted and sick, no matter how you look at it
I'm not judging. I'm not trying to argue with you, I'm just trying to get a handle

Hey wade, why don't you go torture some squirrels?

That oughtta put a grin on your smug, hypocritical face.

So...anything that eventually dies is fair game for torture and abuse

I'm sorry, but this really makes absolutely no sense...

Non-sensical justifications
I'm not judging. I'm not trying to argue with you, I'm just trying to get a handle

You need to realize this and get over it..
I'm not judging. I'm not trying to argue with you, I'm just trying to get a handle

Hey wade...here's a little insight..

It's not "the same" as the snapping turtle video. But it is precisely the same

In my opinion,

Like I said, I'm not trying to argue with you
I'm not judging. I'm not trying to argue with you, I'm just trying to get a handle

I'm just trying to understand where the line is drawn

I'm sorry you're having such a hard time understanding that concept.
I'm not judging. I'm not trying to argue with you, I'm just trying to get a handle

My daughter understands this concept.

And even after all of that, I still say that anyone can go ahead and do whatever they want

As I said above... As I said above... As I said above... As I said above... As I said above...

 

[Outcast]

Wade, you forgot the part where you are not intelligent...

 

[mike17l]

Got something to say, Mike? It's best you watch what you say, lest someone misconstrue your words...

Letting my child watch this video to see what sort of reaction she has isn't "child abuse". Certainly allowing a child to be around anyone that sees this video as anything less than torture could be seen that way.

But since my daughter has the ability to recognize right and wrong, unlike so many people in this topic, I'm not worried about a video like this hurting her emotionally.

I would be very concerned, however, with subjecting her to the ridiculous "logic" that says this sort of twisted garbage is somehow justifiable or "funny".

Slow down buddy, I only asked a question. Why would someone show something they think is cruel to a 6 year old? Why would they want to subject such an innocent child to this? Seems counter-productive to me, but what do I know, I am not a psychologist, are you?

But then again, you, wadie-poo, and other twisted animal abusers would not get within 100 feet of my kid anyhow, so she is safe from that kind of exposure.

Wadie-poo? hope the mods don't see that one, you might get a vacation for name calling, no worries from me, I wont report it, but I cannot speak for everyone. (sure would be nice to have an edit button, wouldn't it?)

The truth of the matter is...we shoot vermin. But we actually dispatch of the vermin, rather than torturing it, abusing it, and allowing it to die a needlessly painful death because it's "funny"...

Guess that's the difference between you and me. I see killing animals as a necessary duty that I must perform no matter how much I hate it. You take pleasure in watching animals fly through the air, only to land, become injured, and die a horribly painful death. You're twisted.

You must have missed my suggestion:

I know how you could prevent the suffering Wade, when they go flinging through the air, fill them full of lead. Kills a few birds with one stone, no mess to clean up on the deck and no suffering for the squirrel.

 

[luckycharm318]

Chris, if you are so concerned about all of this, why don't you go out and DO something about it instead of arguing with people about it on the internet?

I'd respect that.

However your incessant long-winded explanations of your views and why everyone else is wrong, is quite frankly, well, annoying to put it mildly.

 

[mike17l]

Hey Chris, since you seem to be the expert on all things cruel, is it cruel to drop human babies 50 feet from a temple? It has been happening in India for 500 years, no accidents or suffering has yet to be reported. What if we share a video on CS.com? would that be cruel? Would you show it to your six year old daughter? Would you do it to your six year old daughter? I would love to hear your opinion on this. What is worse? if either is worse, dropping the babies or making a squirrel fly? Please, enlighten me.

 

[tyflier]

Slow down buddy, I only asked a question. Why would someone show something they think is cruel to a 6 year old? Why would they want to subject such an innocent child to this? Seems counter-productive to me, but what do I know, I am not a psychologist, are you?

No, not counter-productive, because I can see her reaction and educate her. Bad things happen. preventing my child from knowing about them will not help her. Educating her in the proper way to treat animals will. Showing her an improper way to treat animals will help her.

Pretending it doesn't happen won't

Wadie-poo? hope the mods don't see that one, you might get a vacation for name calling, no worries from me, I wont report it, but I cannot speak for everyone. (sure would be nice to have an edit button, wouldn't it?)

Wadie-poo? Really? That's the one that's gonna get me banned?

I doubt it. Wouldn't change it if I did have an edit button. I find it no more insulting than Skippy or Slappy. Certainly less insulting than "Chris, you're a real jerk", and since wadie-poo is still among us, I don't think wadie-poo is ban-worthy...

You must have missed my suggestion:

No, actually, I saw your suggestion and thought to myself, "Yup...that would eliminate the suffering." I still wouldn't find it entertaining, but shooting a squirrel in the air is virtually the same as shooting it on the ground, so I really wouldn't have taken issue with that. Really.

Wade-
You really are a piece of...well...I guess I'll say "work" so I don't break the rules...

Just because I vocally disapprove of something doesn't mean I wouldn't grant you the right to do it. I don't have to pretend I like something, to give you that right, do I? I don't have to hold my tongue in order to remain non-judgemental, do I? I am allowed to find you sick and twisted while still maintaining that as long as it isn't illegal you have the right to do it, aren't I?

I know the concept of individual freedoms, individual rights, and personal opinions is relatively foreign to you, so I'll explain...

I don't like you. I don't like people that throw squirrels into the air for fun. You are both of those. You still have the right to live how you want to live, and I won't try to change your ways, your opinion, or the manner in which you torture animals. You have every right to do whatever you want with the vermin in your yard, as long as you aren't breaking the law.

And I have every right to offer my opinion of you based on those actions. I have every right to call a twisted individual a twisted individual, whether that twisted individual is the kid tossing bunnies in the air, the guy flinging squirrels into the air, or you for finding it entertaining.

Doesn't mean you can't do them. Doesn't mean you have to agree with me. See how that works? No? I didn't think so. Oh well...

 

[Outcast]

Hey Chris, since you seem to be the expert on all things cruel, is it cruel to drop human babies 50 feet from a temple? It has been happening in India for 500 years, no accidents or suffering has yet to be reported. What if we share a video on CS.com? would that be cruel? Would you show it to your six year old daughter? Would you do it to your six year old daughter? I would love to hear your opinion on this. What is worse? if either is worse, dropping the babies or making a squirrel fly? Please, enlighten me.

You didn't pay attention earlier, he said that anything he thinks is cruel is just as bad as the next thing that comes up and he deems as cruel... oke:

 

[Nanci]

Please keep it civil here! Thank you!

 

[tyflier]

You didn't pay attention earlier, he said that anything he thinks is cruel is just as bad as the next thing that comes up and he deems as cruel... oke:

This is classic. I went out of my way to state my first opinion in a non-confrontational, non-argumentative manner, and proceed to defend my right to that opinion.

Wonderful. Again...can't have an opinion unless it is one you "people" agree with.

And I use the term "people" very loosely...

 

[mike17l]

Wadie-poo? Really? That's the one that's gonna get me banned?

Banned? not likely, but a vacation? possibly.

I doubt it. Wouldn't change it if I did have an edit button. I find it no more insulting than Skippy or Slappy. Certainly less insulting than "Chris, you're a real jerk", and since wadie-poo is still among us, I don't think wadie-poo is ban-worthy...

Is it as bad as suggesting that someone kill themselves?
Nah, but it is still name calling.

No, actually, I saw your suggestion and thought to myself, "Yup...that would eliminate the suffering." I still wouldn't find it entertaining, but shooting a squirrel in the air is virtually the same as shooting it on the ground, so I really wouldn't have taken issue with that. Really.

OK, it appeared as you were still addressing me.

I don't like you. I don't like people that throw squirrels into the air for fun. You are both of those.

Anybody else find this statement funny? Of course Wade is Wade, who or what else can he be?
Or do you not like "you" or "Wade" or I'm confused on this one. :shrugs:

 

[luckycharm318]

This is classic. I went out of my way to state my first opinion in a non-confrontational, non-argumentative manner, and proceed to defend my right to that opinion.

Wonderful. Again...can't have an opinion unless it is one you "people" agree with.

And I use the term "people" very loosely...

Maybe you should not go out of your way to do things that you know will start arguments. You and Wade wage war in just about every thread that you both post in. You posted your opposing opinion in his thread. How did you not expect to have to defend your opinion?

 

[mike17l]

This is classic. I went out of my way to state my first opinion in a non-confrontational, non-argumentative manner, and proceed to defend my right to that opinion.

Like Shelby noticed, you had to "go out of your way" to be "non-confrontational" and "non-argumentative". There might be an underlying issue there, but again, I am no psychologist.

 

[Outcast]

This is classic. I went out of my way to state my first opinion in a non-confrontational, non-argumentative manner, and proceed to defend my right to that opinion.

Wonderful. Again...can't have an opinion unless it is one you "people" agree with.

And I use the term "people" very loosely...

Its not that I do not agree with your opinion, Its the fact that I can't really understand what your opinion is. You say you don't care because it is someone else in their own yard, and yet you viciously take a stance on it because Wade is on one side...

Its like Democrat and Republican between you too.. I have only ever seen that kind of opposition between the two large parties...

Correct me if I am wrong, but I haven't read a topic in which both of you have posted that you two agreed in... It is almost as though you both go out of your ways to disagree with the other...

To both tyflier and wade;
You know, if we met in person, we would probably get along... I say this because I tend to get along with everyone I meet... Though there are those lucky few that tend to get me rolling without even doing anything.... I know I do it to people...

 

[luckycharm318]

I don't like you. I don't like people that throw squirrels into the air for fun. You are both of those.

Maybe you should just avoid him and his posts and save the drama for your mama.

You obviously posted your opinion here to get some sort of rise out of Wade, which you seem to enjoy, because you do it all the time.

If you despise Wade SO MUCH, don't open and read his threads! It's really a simple fix, Chris. Please consider it.

 

[tyflier]

Maybe you should just avoid him and his posts and save the drama for your mama.

You obviously posted your opinion here to get some sort of rise out of Wade, which you seem to enjoy, because you do it all the time.

If you despise Wade SO MUCH, don't open and read his threads! It's really a simple fix, Chris. Please consider it.

I posted an opinion on a video I found cruel. I am not the only one that posted this opinion. I AM the only one expected to defend that position.

I "went out of my way" to state that it is not my place to decide for others what is cruel and what is not. I did not go out of my way to get under wade's skin...this time. I admit I have in the past...this was not the case.

And I'll make the whole forum a deal...the day that wade stops coming into any thread I have participated in and purposely trying to get under my skin...I will do the same. Until then...it is what it is.

And just as a matter of clarification, there have been two threads recently where I have stated that I agreed with wade. And at least one recently in which he stated that he agreed with me. Not that it matters, because we both obviously have disdain for each other.

BUT...KJUN and I don't get along very well either. Main difference is...KJUN doesn't antagonize me(anymore), so I don't antagonize him(anymore). He and I had our spats, we both walked away, and we now either try to be cordial or ignore each other. Either way, it doesn't devolve into this nonsense(anymore).

I don't lie down for anyone. If wade wants to continue antagonizing me at every possible chance, you can rest assured I will do the same. However, if wade suddenly decides it is no longer his job to try and make me look like a sociopathic fool, you will find that I no longer have a desire to aggravate him. It's a 2-way street...

 

[Outcast]

I don't lie down for anyone. If wade wants to continue antagonizing me at every possible chance, you can rest assured I will do the same. However, if wade suddenly decides it is no longer his job to try and make me look like a sociopathic fool, you will find that I no longer have a desire to aggravate him. It's a 2-way street...

Where is that Sarcasm Font???!!!!!

This is where Maturity is supposed to come in and you ignore his words... But what do I know, I have never been in this situation

 

[wade]

Hey guys, I appreciate some of you coming to my defense. It really isn’t needed, but thank you very much. Fact of the matter is I have not been arguing with Chris, I haven’t used his name in a demeaning or derogatory way. I haven’t said anything that was antagonistic or argumentative. Not one singe word. In fact I have been quite polite to Chris even after all the things he has chosen to say about me.

Some people have a really hard time seeing faults in themselves even when they are experts at finding faults with others. We have all met people who think everyone is against them and certain groups are allowed freedoms that are denied to them. Any argument offered them would only be construed as further evidence of their persecution and unfair treatment.

I don’t feel a need to talk down to Chris. I don’t need to call him names or question his intelligence. I don’t need to cast dispersions about his integrity or try to make him appear to be something other than what he is. I am comfortable and content letting Chris do the talking for me.

It has been interesting to read the variety of responses to this video. The opinions have gone from one extreme to the other. The conversation was fun and the exchange of opinions was civil yesterday. That atmosphere seems to have left today, not sure why.

Although some people have suggested that I fling squirrels the truth is I do not, have not. Some have suggested that I enjoy or participate in cruel acts to animals. That is also not true. I do find discussing differing points of view to be very entertaining. I have enjoyed this thread, hope others have as well.

 

[tyflier]

Really? What thread are you reading?

I made my first post. It was #31. You can find it, immediately followed by your very thinly veiled attempt to insult my intelligenceHERE.

I made my second post in response to someone else entirely, post #40, which you immediately followed with--

Oh, you weren't finished. Well thanks for the additional information.

Which can be found as post #41 HERE.

I then made post #42, evidently while you were writing your snide reply, to Michael823. By my post #43, I had had enough of your garbage and veiled insults, and responded directly to you with--

Hey wade, why don't you go torture some squirrels? Maybe you'll get lucky and actually get to watch one go SPLAT!! That oughtta put a grin on your smug, hypocritical face.

which I thought was very fitting, considering that the video gave you a "list of summer projects", and you "promised not to laugh" as the squirrels flew through the air.

Of course, this topic comes on the heels of several other topics where you accused videographers of all sorts of criminal activity, refferred to them as sick and twisted, and proceeded to accuse anyone with a different opinion than yours of the same things.

I didn't get defensive or argumentative until after you made 2 posts directly to me, that were only slightly veiled attempts at insulting me and my intelligence.

There is that reading comprehension thing for you again, wade. It's no wonder you and I argue so much. You never argue the points with me...you only argue the person. You don't care if I am right or wrong, as long as you can take your jabs. Half the time I don't think you even bother reading what I wrote before you start posting your insults and drivel. I would be MORE surprised to find out you DID read my posts.

Got news for you, wade...you take enough jabs at someone and they're gonna throw one back. And that devolves into a fight.

Besides that, all my judgemental and argumentative behavior came on the heels of being "called out" for my opinion, and feeling forced to defend my original opinion. I didn't see you or anyone else making snide comments to Nanci or diamondlil when they called the video cruel...just me.

But I guess it's just my paranoia, right?