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Smallest male corn to breed?

My male was about 20 months and about 130 grams. I don't know his exact age, just that he was a late '04. Out of 20 eggs 13 were fertile.
 
NI GUY said:
Can any harm come from breeding a
young/small male?
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1. It would be pointless if it is too young. If it is too young there will be eggs but none will be fertile. Just a waste of time and effort.

2. If the female is much bigger and the male is much smaller, well i don't want to get into another topic but caniblizm

Just wait, there is no harm in having to wait one season.
 
Not a problem as it would be breeding an undersized/underaged female, but they usually aren't really mature by then. Judging from the eggs though, he had viable sperm. I just don't see the hurry in breeding them. It shortens the lifespan in my opinion and presumably, you'll have many good years of breeding if you take your time.
 
Breeding a male young shortens the lifespan? That's certainly news to me.

I understand why that is said for females (breeding season is more trying on a female's body then a males).
 
I think that breeding on either end of the deal will shorten a lifespan if done often. I know that male breeder mice and rats die in half the time of a pet one since they breed often. It has to have some form of stress on the body. Agreed that females get the brunt of it though. I won't breed my females every year for that reason.
 
Thank you SO much for posting about this, and hope you don't mind me asking a few questions. They'll be quick and they should get some interesting conversation going too. So sorry if this is considered thread stealing.

I have a pair of corns that I am thinking of breeding to each other this season but they are a little young, both being '05s. I was wondering what people think. My female amel stripe is about 280 grams, 3 feet + and won't be bred for another month or so. The male is (I don't know for sure as he won't shipped for another week or so) 175 grams and 2' 3" judging by the pic that the seller gave me and I put in a snake measering program. I thought it would be possible to breed both these guys this season just judging by their size, and that they have another month+ to grow first. The male is a little small.

So what do people think??
 
I hold to the 3 years, 300 gram rule. Females are put through a lot of stress producing eggs, and my female lost almost 100 grams after laying. If she hadn't been well over 300 grams, there's a possibility she would have been in serious trouble. There is the question of quarantine as well. You certainly don't want to introduce a new animal to your female until he's gone through at least 3 months of quarantine away from the rest of your collection.
 
Really, three months? Wow. I was planning a month. Okay well, thanks, we'll see what happens with weight gain and general health. I would love to get both planned breedings in, considering that the male is an ULTRA (what are the chances of finding an '05 ultra on the market?? I'm still surprised I was offered him) caramel het motley, and I'd love to get some golddust stripes before I graduate highschool, but snake health comes first always, so we'll see. Maybe I'll wait the 3 months and a llow for growth and then do a late breeding. I've

Anyway, thanks for the reply and info.
 
Original post by MegF
I hold to the 3 years, 300 gram rule. Females are put through a lot of stress producing eggs, and my female lost almost 100 grams after laying
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In fact I prefer the 400 gram + mark for females as there's always the possibility that she may double clutch & that WILL zap her strength quite considerably.

With reference to a young breeding male.......hmmm, I have bred a male at, what I considered to be a young age, & it was a mating to only one female. The male was aged at 19 months, sorry no details on weight, however, he was a healthy individual who sired 100% healthy clutch.
 
MegF. said:
Why was he bred so young?
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It was a test to see if the eggs would be fertile. If it was a female i wouldn't dream of breeding at that age, and no matter what age the male is, the risk is the same.
 
Jimmyman28 said:
There is no harm in waiting just one more year? :shrugs:
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No, there isn't. I'll get a clutch with my big 550 gram female anyway. Also, having never bred corns, doing a comperatively safer breeding my first year is probably a good idea.

And it's true that size is more important than age (as long as there not really young) right?

Oh, and for me the 300-350 gram mark is fine because no one will be double clutching, probably ever.
 
tbtusk said:
Oh, and for me the 300-350 gram mark is fine because no one will be double clutching, probably ever.
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Sometimes they do it on their own. I think that was what Lexcorn was referring to--times when females double-clutch without being introduced to a male a second time.
 
tbtusk said:
No, there isn't. I'll get a clutch with my big 550 gram female anyway. Also, having never bred corns, doing a comperatively safer breeding my first year is probably a good idea.

And it's true that size is more important than age (as long as there not really young) right?

Oh, and for me the 300-350 gram mark is fine because no one will be double clutching, probably ever.
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You do know that corns can double clutch with just one breeding and that there's no way of stopping them, right? :shrugs:
 
desertanimal said:
Sometimes they do it on their own. I think that was what Lexcorn was referring to--times when females double-clutch without being introduced to a male a second time.
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Ah! You beat me to it! :)
 
Original post by Desertanimal
Sometimes they do it on their own. I think that was what Lexcorn was referring to--times when females double-clutch without being introduced to a male a second time.
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Yes, that was what I was referring to, thanks for clarifying that.

If you breed your female for her 1st time, there is no way of knowing if she will double clutch (until, of course, she does so). Some females may not in their first year & thereafter they oblige. Therefore, you cannot categorically state that there will never be a time that it will occur.

You may not, as is implied in your response, put the male to the female for a second time, but, this will not prevent her producing a further batch of eggs. It will only affect the fertility of the 2nd clutch.
 
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