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Snow corn male I want to buy a female ?? WHAT??

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bdisilvestro

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Hello, i have my first male snow corn!! Hes an 09 guy said about 6 months old! Idk much about traits and genes yet, and I want to start looking for a female that would make a good variety of hatchlings!! I ordered two books already on the matter and cant wait to get them, but i was wondering if anyone knew a good match, and if anybody had any for sale? Any info would be great to know, and yes i know i cant breed my male just yet but still would be interested in having two for awhile till able to breed!! Possibly willing to buy a proven pair already!! I ordered some tanks and have the room already set up!!

Heres my little guy! thanks for the look and the help!

http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=95465

Brandon!!

A NEW ADDICT!!
 
snow x snow = snow
snow x amel het anery = amels, snows
snow x anery het amel = anery, snows
snow x normal het snow = normal, amel, anery, snow
snow x ultramel het anery = ultramel, amel, snow, ultramelanery
 
ZoologyGirl said:
snow x snow = snow
snow x amel het anery = amels, snows
snow x anery het amel = anery, snows
snow x normal het snow = normal, amel, anery, snow
snow x ultramel het anery = ultramel, amel, snow, ultramelanery
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Ok, now lets say i get the Ultramel het anery, and then those hatchlings are that, can you breed any of thouse to the snow and get a different one in there? and what traits are the snow? Ugh sorry :((( I'm so interested but learning the genes slowly..
 
A snow is amel + anery

Unless the snow you have now has hets, you won't be able to get anything out of it except for amels, anerys, snows, and ultramel/ultramel anery.

If you want to add things, you can pretty much breed whatever you want to it. Lets say you want some snow stripes.

snow x snow stripe = 100% snows het stripe.

Then you breed the offspring....snow het stripe x snow het stripe = snows and snow stripes.
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Or, in the original pairing you could do snow x stripe = 100% normals het amel, anery, stripe.

Breed those offspring...normal het amel, anery, stripe x same = snow stripe (among other things)
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Or if you want to add lavender into the mix.

Snow x lavender = 100% normals het amel, anery, lavender

Breed the offspring...normal het amel, anery, lavender x same = combinations of amel, anery, lavender.
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So basically, both parents need to have the trait you are looking to produce, either already visually showing that trait, or het for that trait.

If your snow has no hets, then the only traits it has to pass on are amel and anery. No matter what you breed it with, the most you can get out of a pairing with it in the first generation is amel and anery combinations (and normals). However, the female you breed it with has to have the same trait (visually, or het) if you want that trait to show up.

Example:

amel, anery x amel = 100% amel (no anerys, because the second parent did not have anery)

amel, anery x normal = 100% normal (the normal did not have amel nor anery to pass on)
 
bdisilvestro said:
Wow, thank you very much!! het just means that they have the trait its just not shown?
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Pretty much.

Every snake has 2 alleles (copies of a gene) for a trait. One is taken from the father, one is taken from the mother.

For example: With the amel trait, I'll make the letter (A) stand for amel.

AA = homozygous dominant (Wildtype, normal coloration)
Aa = heterozygous (normal coloration)
aa = homozygous recessive (amel coloration)

Now say you wanted to breed a male amel (aa) x female normal no hets (AA)

The only option an offspring has to take an amel allele from the father is (a). The only option an offspring has to take an amel allele from the mother is (A). Therefore, every offspring will be Aa (normal coloration, het for amel).
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In the next example, the letter N will stand for the anery trait

Now say you wanted to breed amel (aa) x anery (nn). And lets say that both of these have no hets.

For the amel trait, the amel male is (aa), the anery female is (AA). So using the first example we know all offspring will be Aa for amel.

For the anery trait, the amel male is (NN), the anery female is (nn). Again, we know all offspring will be Nn for anery.

All resultant offspring are therefore AaNn. Normal coloration, het for amel and anery.
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Now say you wanted to breed male amel (aa) x female anery het amel (nnAa)

For the amel trait, the amel male is (aa), the female is (Aa). We know from the male the offspring can only take (a). However, from the female the offspring has the possibility of taking either (A), or (a). So all resultant offspring will either be (Aa), or (aa).

For the anery trait, male (NN) x female (nn), is again all (Nn)

So from the pairing the resultant offspring will either be:
AaNn (normal coloration, het for amel and anery)
aaNn (amel coloration, het for anery)
 
I know it's a long way off, but why do you want to breed? What will you do with the hatchlings once you have them? Can you afford vet bills if the female becomes eggbound?
 
I want to attempt to breed at least once and to go through the process, it might be something I pursue more. Vet bills and feeding and any kind of $$ thing that comes up will not be a problem. I own and operate one business and I have a second business under way. If I were worried ab money I would not be doing this. I have the time and the money. I just need more time and research of course! Thanks for the concerns though!

Brandon
 
I have the time and the money. I just need more time and research of course! Thanks for the concerns though!
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It's good to see someone thinking ahead.

We tend to ask those new to breeding, to prompt those who haven't. You'd be amazed at the number of folks who mate snakes without even considering how they're going to sell/rehome 15 baby snakes, never mind funding their housing/heating/food!

With a 6 month old, you have a couple of years to sort out the logistics before he's ready to breed. Welcome to the party. Start figuring out what furniture you can throw out to make room for more tanks. If you think you'll be stopping at two... well, stick around!
 
Thank you!! I plan on getting a rack system for the hatchlings and keep the adults in a 2x2 viv! I'm gonna start looking for the female mate to raise with my snow (dif viv don't worry) so if anyone has any good mates for my male snow let me know

Brandon
 
You plan to co-hab? I really would not recommend it. The female would probably be bred to young. Its really better to keep the male and female seperate except for when they are ready to be bred. Then just during the mating. Corns only come together in the wild in order to breed. If you do choose to cohab I wish you all the luck in the world that your male doesn't want to breed til she is big enough.
 
Got ya, sorry I know someone who cohabs and calls every clutch each year an accident. I just wanted to be sure you knew it could happen. 2x2 vivs, how tall are these? Because it doesn't sound like a lot of floor room for a ground prefering type of snake. . .just a thought! :)
 
I was told you want two sides of the enclosure to be longer in total length than the length of the snake to be housed in it. I have a female that I have to upgrade her tub because she is a little longer than 2 sides of the tub she is in now.
 
It really depends on the size of the snake but if your male is 6 months and the female you get is on the smaller size you should be fine for a while. then when you upgrade them based on size you can just find something else to put in the 2x2's. lol

welcome to the cornsnake addiction.my first corn was a male snow also!
Just make sure you do all your homework, (witch you should have plenty of time to do) and make sure you can get rid of babies in your area before breeding!


my first breeding was my male snow x female ghost het amel. I got snows and anery's!
 
carnivorouszoo said:
I was told you want two sides of the enclosure to be longer in total length than the length of the snake to be housed in it. I have a female that I have to upgrade her tub because she is a little longer than 2 sides of the tub she is in now.
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As a general rule, but a 20gal or equivalent is the minimum no matter the size of the adult corn, I think. Mine seem happier with more snug space than room to roam, frankly.
 
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