Thanks guys, you know, I never used to find anything when herping really, till my friend Chris taught me how to road cruise.. And hes right, thats the best way to find anything. SO thanks Chris
SO they are both mitchellii then.. I did just read earlier today after posting this that the mitchellii are quite variable. I still need to find Mojave greens, Great Basins, and Diamondbacks. Plus a whole other list of Colubrids that I haven't seen yet..

This is quite the journey and I am loving it
Eric, they where right there with us while we where 'Hookin' so they know what we mean
Thanks guys