Tessera Motley!

[diamondlil]

I do call my normal babies "siblings" as the Tessera gene does often have a visual effect on the normals, but I do not ever imply that anyone can produce Tessera's from normal siblings, as I'm sure some have tried to do.
I view it similar to the Carpet Python Jag gene, where teh normal siblings do not carry the Jag gene, but the Jag gene does tend to influnce the look of the Normals.

Does that make sense? (I'm up way earlier than I'm used to).

How could the gene have a visual effect on siblings in tesseras? could you show any examples?

 

[BloodyBaroness]

How could the gene have a visual effect on siblings in tesseras? could you show any examples?

Cuz they are hybrids..... :sidestep: -giggle- Totally joking around.

 

[JimGERcream]

Cuz they are hybrids..... :sidestep: -giggle-

that would make sense :grin01:

 

[BloodyBaroness]

that would make sense :grin01:

Yep! The most logical! :nyah: Good times!

 

[taxman123]

How could the gene have a visual effect on siblings in tesseras? could you show any examples?

I will take some pics but any non tesseras from a tessera clutch seem to have brighter colors and better patterns from what I see. I dont list them as tessera clutch mates but they are better looking snakes.

 

[taxman123]

I dont have any amels from a non tessera clutch anymore and was searching my pics but couldnt find any. Here is 2 amels from the same clutch they are both very different but are much brighter then any other amels I produced.

 

[MysticExotics]

How could the gene have a visual effect on siblings in tesseras? could you show any examples?

I don't have side by side comparisons, because I olby produced Tessera clutches last year (meaning I don't have any normals form non Tessera clutches)

I will take some pics but any non tesseras from a tessera clutch seem to have brighter colors and better patterns from what I see. I dont list them as tessera clutch mates but they are better looking snakes.

What he ^^^ said.
I've talked with both Don & Graham about how the Tessera gene does tend to have a visual effect on the normal siblings.
I've seen many Carpet Python Jag siblings that are brighter 7/or deeper colors as well, & I view the Tessera gene similar to the Jag gene in that aspect (same as neither gene allows the normals to be "het" for the gene).

Most normal siblings from a Jag are refered to as Jag siblings, & people who know the Jag gene, know that the normal siblings are not het for Jag, but also know that the Jag gene deos typically have a visual effect making the mornal siblings look brighter, deeper colors, cool patterns, etc.
This is why I do refer my normal Tessera siblings as Tessera siblings.

Edit to add links:
Miami Tessera clutch
Alabama Tessera clutch

 

[SnakeAround]

Sadly, it's been done. There was a guy at a local show trying to do just that this year. Some people see "het" as "only carrying" the gene. He was trying to pass off the normal sibs as "het" like het anery or het amels. Several of us quickly outed him as a fraud. It was a mess.

I must have been bloody

 

[BloodyBaroness]

I must have been bloody

Took me a few tries to get the blood stains out my shirt.

 

[SnakeAround]

Even though we have had some fierce discussions you are funny Baroness

 

[diamondlil]

I dont have any amels from a non tessera clutch anymore and was searching my pics but couldnt find any. Here is 2 amels from the same clutch they are both very different but are much brighter then any other amels I produced.

They just look like normal amels to me, personally.

 

[SnakeAround]

Got pics of three sibs of my amel T's, they are lovely RO's but they just look a lot like their abbot's okeetee amel mom, nothing that says tessera influences.

 

[SnakeAround]

mom:

 

[JimGERcream]

I've also heard Tessera sibs are brighter and nicer and so on, but I also can't confirm this. My normal Tessera siblings from Ghostblood x Tessera looked like ordinary normal siblings :shrugs:

 

[diamondlil]

I've also heard Tessera sibs are brighter and nicer and so on, but I also can't confirm this. My normal Tessera siblings from Ghostblood x Tessera looked like ordinary normal siblings :shrugs:

I'm not trying to be awkward, but I'd have to see a big visible difference before I'd see a tessera 'sibling' as anything but a label to make a corn potentially more sellable....

 

[BloodyBaroness]

Even though we have had some fierce discussions you are funny Baroness

Thank you.

I know we have certainly had some disagreements in the past, but I think humor promotes understanding and certainly think we can move forward in a positive way.

 

[JimGERcream]

I'm not trying to be awkward, but I'd have to see a big visible difference before I'd see a tessera 'sibling' as anything but a label to make a corn potentially more sellable....

I totally agree. Until today I didn't have seen those differences. Neither in my breeding results nor in the breeding results of others (although others think different, when they post their offspring). For me, all those hatchlings looked like regular hatchlings with a regular colouration. There was nothing what leaped to my eye. Maybe others see other things, but I don't see anything in those "sibs". :shrugs:

 

[MysticExotics]

I'm not trying to be awkward, but I'd have to see a big visible difference before I'd see a tessera 'sibling' as anything but a label to make a corn potentially more sellable....

There's not a big visable difference between non Jag siblings & Jag siblings either, & some people don't see it, but some do.
I do see a difference in siblings vs non siblings (in both Tessera clutches & Jag clutches). I have based the price of my normal siblings based on their look, not the fact that they're Tessera siblings.
Although none of the breeders I have talked to in reference to the Tessra siblings have ever tested out to see if they siblings pass along the odd looking trait that some get (motley-ish look, aztec pattern, almost banded saddles, etc) I do not make any claims that these normal siblings will produce anything out of the ordinary.

The reason I call the normals in the Tessera clutches "siblings", is that I see the Tessera gene as very similar to the Jag gene in Carpets, & the normals in those clutches are referred to as Jag sibs. They don't necessarily go for a higher amount, unless the individual has a really cool pattern or something.

 

[SarahP]

So, if a het Tessera looks the same as a homo Tessera... how do you know which one you've produced?

It seems like that would only be proven through breeding, right? Are people only selling hatchlings as homo Tessera if they come from two parents that display the Tessera trait?

It does seem like, given the tendency to think of 'het' as a hidden gene that, yeah, it would be *super* easy to rip people off, both by selling siblings that don't display the trait as het Tessera (even though they're not) and by selling het Tessera displaying the trait as homo Tessera who will produce more next generation.

I think I feel a headache coming on...

 

[Chip]

So, if a het Tessera looks the same as a homo Tessera... how do you know which one you've produced?

If you got them by breeding tessera to tessera, then 50% of them should be homo tesseras. The only way to prove them out is to breed them to a normal corn and get 100% tessera babies. Unless I'm missing something. Pretty sure you can just consider "normal" tesseras in the way you would any more familiar het. Only these hets make a striped snake with a cool side pattern. Just like the homo.

Also, I have produced normals, amels, ghosts, aneries, and hypos from tessera pairings. FWIW, I sure can't tell a difference between them and normal babies. :shrugs: