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The ball python madness

Last time I check Banana's and Coral Clows weren't brown. The reason the price tags are so high is because they lay small clutches, are much less productive, take longer to raise, and were marketed right from the start. We have brown in every species. Unless you're only familiar with very few Ball morphs, you know that brown isn't the dominant color.

You may think no ones buys snakes for $40,000, but they do. People are investing that money quite often and the animals are selling.

I mean comparing Corns to Balls, is the same as comparing Leos to AFTs. Very similar care. But the marketing was done differently.

You can't slam people that spend $40,000 on a snake, because it's a goood investment as far as I'm concerned. They will make money on it, and they will produce some awesome animals. It's also a matter of taste. I love the look of Shatter Corns, but hate the look of a Peppermint. I love Axanthic type genes, and that's what attracts me to Ball Pythons. The grey and silver colors (to me) are much nicer than an albino.
 
Brown IS the dominant color. Know how I know? The market, and local rescues everywhere, are flooded with NORMAL BROWN snakes that you can't give away. And all in the name of a 40K snake that, at heart, is brown.

As for marketing, if "Import the crap out of them" and "Everything is a dinker" is good marketing, then sure, I agree with you.

As for the slow growing, if I see one more over priced late 2011 model proven breeder male for sale, who weighs 500 grams btw, I might throw my PC out the window.

If the average hobby keeper wanted a higher end corn to have as a pet and not a breeder, the price range would still be attainable, most likely.

If the average hobby keeper wanted a higher end ball to have as a pet and not a breeder, the range would not be attainable at all, period.

Another BP point in the "all about the money" column.
 
fyrefocks said:
I hate it when people are mean to Nanci.
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Me too! And what's not to love about Peppermint??
Peppermints is teh bomb sanke of all time!

Edited to add, the above comment was not sarcastic or snarky, I honestly DO love peppermints. Kathy is snakey sitting a breeding group of candycanes for me that are het cinder and caramel....for buttermints in the future. But I think I like peppermints even more....
 
BloodyBaroness said:
I will respectfully disagree.

The price tag stays high because clutches are very small compared to corns. 4-10 with 6-7 being average. No chance for a double clutch. So the market is not constantly flooded.

They are not all brown either. :D

You can stereotype them any way you want and I guarantee people will have the same counter points bagging on corns.
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I would tend to agree. But you can bag on anything, cars, phones, news channels etc etc.
But this should be expected it is a corn snake site.

Jen does bring up good point too I think. ""I think ball morphs are 'status' snakes in a way.""
And why is it always about the $$$$$$$$$$
 
Are you kidding me? The only reason Normal Balls are in shelters is because they are the only type that's really easily accessible in pet stores. Most base Corn morphs are easily accessible in pet stores, so you'll see more color in shelters. Are all Hognose brown because the wild type is brown? And if someone spends $500 on an Albino Ball, they're much less likely to dump it in a pet shelter than someone who spent $25 on an Albino Corn. You hardly ever see people neglect Ball morph, but you see Corn morphs dumped all the time. In all honesty, the Ball morph market keeps a lot of people who shouldn't have live animals, out of the industry.

Is the importation of Balls any different than people in FL and LA catching wild Corns? No. There are differences yes, but it's the same principal. Those "dinker" Balls are all normals, right? No dinker has ever proven to be a ground breaking morphs. Those GHIs, Sparks, and Mystics are all just normals......

Yes, a male Ball may breed at 500 grams, but females won't. It takes at least 2-3 years to get most female balls up to size, and even then some don't go. You can't double clutch a Ball Python either. We don't do that with colubrids, do we?

As far as animals as "pets", you are correct. But should people honestly crash the market so some kid can have a Soul Sucker Ball as a pet? Should Ball breeders honestly be scrutinized for making a decent living producing very cool animals? How can you say that people should crash a market to loos their ass on an investment to make their product more available as pets? If the product sells at $45,000, let's sell it for $45 so Jimmy the 4th grader can buy it as a pet!

Ball Python breeders don't do it for the money. Anyone who knows someone who breeds full time, knows that it's a ton of work. You can't vacation, you've got employees, shows, massove overhead, and you work 7 days a week. These prices allow for people to do this full time. You can criticize them all you want, but breeding reptiles is not a get money quick scam. I personally want to do this as a living ( and I do), because, I love these animals and have a passion for them. On the flip side of that, I do have to make enough money to correctly maintain them. You also have shipping boxes, website charges, show table charges, business taxes, etc, you have to cover. All those "money hungry breeders", sell some of the finest animals around and it's an insult, an absolute insult to them, to call them "money hungry". These people have more dedication, passion, and talent, than most other breeders combined. To suggest that they only do this for the money is at the very least an insult to these people's hard work and intelligence.

Nanci, Peppermints are beautiful, and your Heart Attack is an awesome snake, but the white and pink just don't do it for me. You know I love you Nanci!

Look up Banana or Coral Glow Ball Python. Those are the expensive ones.
 
I have a rescue pinstripe and I have seen ball python morphs dumped here that are brought in to Mark's store in a poor state. But I do live in a really horrible state.

And David you really shouldn't cuss. We do have a lot of young people that come here.
 
I've seen much worse in DYK, give me a break.

Nanci, the whole "Balls not being affordable to someone who wants a high end morph as a pet, being the reason that it's all about money", to me says market crashing.
 
I haven't seen cussing in dyk. I thought it was against the rules of this site. Forgive me if you have seen worse. I was just thinking about the under 18 that come to this site. I will make sure my kids aren't allowed to come here because you have seen much worse in dyk
 
I'm sorry, I don't see any cussing in this thread...Unless you are referring to the phrase "lose their ass" which is not prohibited here.
 
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