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The most sickest ever..

Pet Corn Snake

Pet Corn Snake

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Right, well, when i was looking around youtube i found a video, one that really upset me even though i'm not a massive animal lover,


BEWARE THIS VIDEO DOES SHOW ANIMALS BEING HERT! its about how people kill and eat dolfins but i think the way they do it, the way they catch them is very very sick, anyone who watches it feel free to post your views but ill warn you.. its pretty upsetting, just thought it would be a good topic for discussion on your views.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKbzQzpQuRY
 
Most of us in the U.S.

and elsewhere have endeared dolphins and whales and find this barbaric. And it is! But to the Japanese it is everyday business as usual. Dolphins are food to them.
But oh ya; I saw a show a number of years ago where whalers were catching Sperm Whales and repeatedly jabbing them in the head with pointed spears. The screams were horrible.

I consider it murder. The same with those dolphins.
Why do I (we) think this way. Is it dolphin intelligence; are cows total dolts? And yes I eat them. Maybe because I don't see someone killing the cow? I do believe if animals are farmed for a purpose, it is O.K.
But still I feel farming dolphins to eat would be wrong. I can't say why except it is hypocritical. Killing cows and chickens is O.K.? Are dolphins just animals?
I can't really say why it is wrong but I equate to the judge who said-
" I can't define pornography, but I know it when I see it."
 
Cows and other animals for food here arnt killed that way. I heard somewhere (its said in the comments too) that pain increases adrenaline which I guess makes the meat tastier. Going by that logic then letting them suffer on the street as long as possible will make them taste better, as compared to the instant or nearly instant death of stock animals here.
 
i donno, i guess its there food, and humans need food to live, personally i would rather they kill dolfins a keep there children fed, then starved =/ but i dont see why dolfins =/
 
I think that the main reason we, in western society, see the killing of dolphins and other marine mammals for food or sport as inhumane is because of the supposed intelligence they exhibit. It is very hypocritical of us to say "It is OK to kill that mammal for food, but not that one"...we do the same thing with primates. I wouldn't kill or eat a marine mammal, nor would I a primate...but it doesn't make it any less hypocritical, in essence.

If we could understand and interpret the sounds a cow makes, would that change our eating/farming habits? Possibly. If we didn't anthropomorphize primates to such an extent as we do, would our outlook on them as food change? Possibly. If dogs were a nuisance, rather thnan a pet, would we change our attitudes towards them as a food source? I don't know...

But the bottom line is, at the most basic level, all animals of flesh, including humans, are basically the same. We are all meat. We all have the ability to provide calories, vitamins, minerals, and sustenance if we are eaten...and that is regardless of our species. We all also communicate among our own species, in a language that can be understood by other members of the same species. To discount one as unintelligent, while another is intelligent is only slightly less arrogant, IMO.

It always amazes me that people are so shocked to see something like that being done with dolphins, but dredge-netting of tuna, smelt, halibut, crab, octopi and squid is perfectly acceptable. That doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me, without acknowledging the inherant hypocrisy of it. Commercial fishing is not a pretty sight, regardless of the species being fished, IMO...it only seems to be noticed when it is a mammal, though.
 
Actually, the dolphins harvested are not to feed starving children, it's to cater to the rich elite who eat dolphin as a delicacy. Nothing more. I'll eat beef, and I'll hunt for food, but I won't eat veal. I think it's cruel how they keep the calf. I don't hunt for sport, only food, and I think it's terrible to kill something to make some bucks...not to feed your family.
 
Meg, I'm with you on the veal front. I refuse to consume it. I remember when I was a kid, there was a 60 minutes segment on veal farms, and from that point on I would not ever eat it again. My mom use to buy veal occasionally, but after that 60 minutes segment and my reaction to it,I don't think she ever had it for our family again.

Back on topic. I didn't watch the video. I've seen enough video's and pictures of whale hunts to make me sick. I can imagine the dolphin video was much the same. And Meg was right. The dolphin food trade is to cater to the rich, it's not an every day food like chicken or beef. Seems the more expensive your taste for food is, the less conscience you have concerning animal welfare.
 
Cflaguy said:
they could really do without?
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Well, if that were the basis of deciding whether or not something should be done...

FWIW...I agree with you guys on the whole issue that it is disturbing and sickens me. I don't eat veal, either(I think I probably saw the same program). But it is still rather hypocritical, IMO...
 
MegF. said:
Actually, the dolphins harvested are not to feed starving children, it's to cater to the rich elite who eat dolphin as a delicacy. Nothing more. I'll eat beef, and I'll hunt for food, but I won't eat veal. I think it's cruel how they keep the calf. I don't hunt for sport, only food, and I think it's terrible to kill something to make some bucks...not to feed your family.
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i'am with you there... if its for money then thats just sad.. =/
 
oh i missread, i see, its for the rich people to eat?? well... ummm.... what can i say, its wrong, and something should me done about it =/ i read in the video comments that its also the same for horses, witch is totally wrong =/
 
Yes, they can do without it. I used to do the Whale Watch program in the 80's and both the Japanese and Russians were scaling way back even then on whaling as there is a national moratorium on whaling. No countries accept whale meat except for those two. The Alaskan eskimos were allowed to continue to hunt Grey Whales as part of their religious culture, but otherwise, no hunting is permitted. There's little money left in it except for within the countries themselves or the black market. The only people who will lose the money are the whalers, and the restaurants that provide the delicacy.
 
people even over here do it for horse meat i knew a kid who ate horse all the time i thought it to be kind of disturbing personally because he lived on a farm aswell... but apparently it tastes pretty good and its not just for the rich
 
What a Shame..

Surely if they feel they must cull them as a food source a painless way would suffice.. Like there isn't enough suffering these days..
 
I've had horse meat and it is pretty good. It's a normal food source for many cultures. The hispanics eat alot of it and my neighbor made it. It's no different than beef. I used to have animals I raised for food and animals I had as pets. They were different. You didn't name the ones you were going to eat!
 
Cflaguy said:
and elsewhere have endeared dolphins and whales and find this barbaric. And it is! But to the Japanese it is everyday business as usual. Dolphins are food to them.
But oh ya; I saw a show a number of years ago where whalers were catching Sperm Whales and repeatedly jabbing them in the head with pointed spears. The screams were horrible.

I consider it murder. The same with those dolphins.
Why do I (we) think this way. Is it dolphin intelligence; are cows total dolts? And yes I eat them. Maybe because I don't see someone killing the cow? I do believe if animals are farmed for a purpose, it is O.K.
But still I feel farming dolphins to eat would be wrong. I can't say why except it is hypocritical. Killing cows and chickens is O.K.? Are dolphins just animals?
I can't really say why it is wrong but I equate to the judge who said-
" I can't define pornography, but I know it when I see it."
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Most livestock that we feed on are specially bred for that purpose, those dolphins are wild and will never be bred or farmed to replace the ones that have been killed.
 
started to watch the video but had to stop midway. This is why in my opinion most rich people suck. They feel they are better than everyone else because they have money to buy/do/sell/exploit who/what they want. They should be on the receiving end of the butchery those dolphins received! Would I be wrong in naming some of those rich folks?! :grin01:
 
It always amazes me that people are so shocked to see something like that being done with dolphins, but dredge-netting of tuna, smelt, halibut, crab, octopi and squid is perfectly acceptable. That doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me, without acknowledging the inherant hypocrisy of it. Commercial fishing is not a pretty sight, regardless of the species being fished, IMO...it only seems to be noticed when it is a mammal, though.
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I agree!

I love my meat and seafood! I know that calves are kept in tiny pens so that the veal stays tender (I think), but how are chickens kept? I'm not sure if what I saw was for all chickens, egg-laying chickens, or meat chickens (or if there is even a difference), but I remember seeing something where the chickens where kept in tight cages and they couldn't move around. I think they could only have eaten at the trough in front of them. :shrugs:

Devil's Advocate time: Why does it matter who the dolphin meat feeds? One way to look at it is either the meat goes to feed the "starving children" or the money the people who produce the meat (anywhere along the process of creating it for sale) make goes to feed their starving children. I don't know if the fisherman who catch the dolphins are rich, or if the folks who pack it are rich, I'm just throwing that out there. Regardless, money they make will get put back into the economy and something they buy will put money in the pockets of the starving families (assuming that they are working). Frankly, my taxes go into feeding the starving children by way of food stamps and medicaid. Even if I make my money killing dolphins and selling the meat to the rich, the poor get to see some of that (I am speaking for my country only. I do not know about the social programs of other nations).

Why don't people mind killing and eating pigs, cows, and chickens, but dolphins are bad? Dolphins are "cuter" and "smarter" than the other ones...and don't smell as bad.
 
We're back to a renewable source. Pigs, cows and chickens are raised for food. They are replaced with others. Once dolphins become extinct...that's it. Same for the whales. That's why there was an international moratorium placed on hunting them. Let me tell you, there's nothing cuter than a baby pig or cow...as far as intelligence though....I don't see the Navy training cows to point out mines....they can't even figure out how to walk into a chute. And for what it's worth...I buy cage free chicken eggs.
 
when i sit here and thing, crushing an ant, slaying a cow pig or sliting a dofins throught, its all the same, its killing a life.. and i know we need food and thing s but i'am sure if people put more effert into growing vegitables ect.. then we would solve alot of problems with obsesity and would probably live longer as humans, but telling this to the world is harder then anyone can imagine because soo many people love meat, me myself, i think meat is really nice, but the way some of it is got is most disturbing..
 
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