The most sickest ever..

[kev1144]

Man, captain planet was totally the best ever. It was so so so ridiculous that it ended up straying into super-freaking-awesome. We used to play "planeteers" all the time and they always made me be Gi 'cause I'm part asian, but that was fine cause she had a sweet power, at least I didn't have to be ma-ti.........what the eff kind of power was "heart" anyways?? I mean, water, air, fire, earth.... sweet.

heart?

Man, that's gotta be the weakest "weapon" ever.....


I can't believe wheeler and linka never freakin got it on either. jeez.

haha they made you be Gi because you were part Asian, wow that's almost as racist as the show was. I mean don't get me wrong I use to watch Captain Planet every day after school, but you were right Ma-Ti did get the raw deal. The others would have these amazing powers, I never saw the episode where Wheeler was like "My fire isnt working on this monster", with Kwame following up "Neither is Earth!", followed by Ma-ti pushing them both aside to say "I know what this monster needs.......HEART!!!!! COME ON.......HEART!!!!!!!". To make it more stereotypical they gave him a monkey. Yeah give the poor little dirty South American kid a monkey, great job guys. Hey and make the african kids name Kwame, so little kids can associate better, or the Russian girl Linka...but don't name the American kid Bob, name him Wheeler cause little US kids know what a white person looks like. Ah man...that show was great stereotypical racist fun.

 

[Demonique]

I agree!

Devil's Advocate time: Why does it matter who the dolphin meat feeds? One way to look at it is either the meat goes to feed the "starving children" or the money the people who produce the meat (anywhere along the process of creating it for sale) make goes to feed their starving children.

Oh please, Japan IS NOT a developing country, it's one of the richest countries in the world, there is social security in Japan for poorer families.

Anyway, so what if the dolphin meat goes to feed starving children, that doesn't mean that the dolphins should be killed. Humanity IS NOT an endangered species, if anything there are far too many of us in the world, some species of dolphin are endangered and one species the Yangtze (sp?) River dolphin has recently been declared extinct

 

[Demonique]

BTW, isn't eating whale and dolphin meat supposed to be unhealthy? Apparently the whales that are 'culled' in the Faroe Islands every year are chock full of man-made toxins and chemicals which are passed on to whomever consumes the meat.

Serves them right

 

[plasticknives]

haha they made you be Gi because you were part Asian, wow that's almost as racist as the show was. I mean don't get me wrong I use to watch Captain Planet every day after school, but you were right Ma-Ti did get the raw deal. The others would have these amazing powers, I never saw the episode where Wheeler was like "My fire isnt working on this monster", with Kwame following up "Neither is Earth!", followed by Ma-ti pushing them both aside to say "I know what this monster needs.......HEART!!!!! COME ON.......HEART!!!!!!!". To make it more stereotypical they gave him a monkey. Yeah give the poor little dirty South American kid a monkey, great job guys. Hey and make the african kids name Kwame, so little kids can associate better, or the Russian girl Linka...but don't name the American kid Bob, name him Wheeler cause little US kids know what a white person looks like. Ah man...that show was great stereotypical racist fun.

Nah, it wasn't racist. or really, racist is a funny term- i think stereotypes are something to be laughed off, as long as your actions are well intended, the rest is fine. I grew up in a city full of kids from different backgrounds, we all made fun of each other equally, and mercilessly. Plus, we all knew we were all just kidding.

The "WASPy McWasperson" kids in our group of friends almost had it the worst cause we made so much fun of them for being "white-bred-and-mayo" and having no culture. heh.
anyways. all cultures have stereotypes, all you have to do is make sure that your actions are accepting.

jokes were fun- it meant that there was enough familiarity that we knew we wouldn't offend.

 

[tyflier]

plstcknives wrote:

..."WASPy McWasperson"...

HEY!! I resemble that remark...

 

[SnakeAround]

Pet Cornsnake: Not necessarily true. I don't know of a whole lot of 100 year old vegetarians! You need proteins from meats or milk or something like that. Phytoproteins (even those found in Soy) are incomplete. We are carnivores. Eyes on the front of our heads and canines (although they are small). How do you know vegetables and plants don't feel or think? Just because they don't have a way to communicate doesn't mean they can't feel. They are alive after all. If you thought that way, we'd never eat again! Personally, I don't have a problem with killing. I do have a problem with killing something for nothing more than sport or un-needed meat that nobody really wants or can afford but eat because it's bizarre and new. If you are going to kill to eat...fine. Just don't kill it to make a buck.

Milk and other dairy is only useful for baby mammals which have adapted digestive tracks, not for adults, our adult system can hardly acces the nutrients in it and has problems digesting hte substance. The promotion of milk is nothing but a way of keeping milk cow farmers at work. In our country even the government promotes drinking milk to support the farmers against all logic.... :shrugs:

I do think plants can't feel anything since they do not have a brain and nerves, which are necessary for feeling anything. For me it is that simple.

I really hope more and more people DARE to admit we NEED meat to be healthy, even more then hard to digest vegetables/plants, they are merely for fibers and some vitamins. If we'd end up being all vegetarians, evolution would provide us with huge bellies to content much longer testinal tracks to digest vegetables (think of urangs)... anybody in for that? :grin01: Of course that is a minor reason to promote eating meat, but the fact that our digestive track is relatively short, is another proof we are omnivores. I thank my ancestors for getting into eating raw and later on cooked meat, so they and their descendants had time left to practice making tools and stuff and develop the skills which got us here. Would mankind have ignored meat, then we had still been hanging around in trees eating leafs all day or in the fields fouraging for food.

This being said, we do have the intelligence to prevent animals in the food industry from suffering. Let us put all the (governmental) money used for promotion on dairy and (ecological) vegetables (and fruits; too much sugar) in industrial animal care; problem solved!

 

[Chrome]

how can the people that do this sleep at night? Seeing all the pain and all the blood.... how can they feel human at the end of a working day?

 

[MegF.]

Actually, I'm not promoting milk (although I love it) I'm merely pointing out that meat protein and the proteins in cheese, eggs, or milk products are what are needed to remain healthy. Veggies are good, but there needs to be balance. Even a shot of whiskey is good in small amounts! Complete protein and amino acids are found in a variety of foods and fruits, vegetables and meats are necessary. Eating only meat or a big mac every meal isn't going to cut it though.

 

[SnakeAround]

Actually, I'm not promoting milk (although I love it) I'm merely pointing out that meat protein and the proteins in cheese, eggs, or milk products are what are needed to remain healthy. Veggies are good, but there needs to be balance. Even a shot of whiskey is good in small amounts! Complete protein and amino acids are found in a variety of foods and fruits, vegetables and meats are necessary. Eating only meat or a big mac every meal isn't going to cut it though.

Ok, you are not promoting milk, but we do not need the proteins in dairy, they are in meat already, way easier to process.... eggs are very nutricious though, providing us just what we need as our 'building stones'.

My logic says that if what we eat closely resembles what we are build off, it is easier to digest and very close to a complete package of what we need. Veggies are not in line with that. Since we do not eat preys including the content of their stomach, we need a small side table of veggies to complete our sources, but it had better been pre-digested by the herbivors we eat to make the nutrients in it better accesable for us. Should I have to choose between being a vegetarian or eating meat only, I'd go for the meat immediately. Darn would I loose weight....

By the way, IMO the worst part of a Big mac is the roll No nutrients, just bad carbs.

 

[MegF.]

Lots of fat and salt in there too. If we ate only meat though, we'd end up with diseases like scurvy.....so there has to be some fruit or veggies. I think cooking helps some in the digestion of the veggies. The problem with over cooking though is that it depletes a lot of the nutrients.

 

[SnakeAround]

I acknowledge we needs vitamins so we need some vegs and fruit. But I also believe carbs are worse then fat. Besides that; eating mainly meat really fills you so you won't eat too much and threat your health. Carbs make you want to eat more, meat doesn't. But I think we are hi-jacking this thread too much now

 

[MegF.]

You might be right! Back to dolphin killing...it's so much better!

 

[Austin M]

I am all for conservation. I do not have a problem with anyone eating dolphins either. I definitely do not believe in the save the dolphin let humans die thing.

When I was growing up I had a poor oppinion of people who killed wild animals because of movies like Gorillas in the mist and all the hype on TV and in school about the endanger animals in Africa. I always thought these African poachers were evil people. I also thought all the rich Americans were the root cause of it because the were the ones funding it. Then in high school I seen a 60 Minutes special were these Africans were being lined up and shot in the head for poaching. Seeing that changed my opinion. They also showed these poachers were poor and had families that were starving. If I recall correctly these militia men that hunted men were funded by Americans all in the name of saving the animals. I thought if people were as gung ho for saving those starving Africans as they are about saving the animals maybe they wouldn't have to hunt the animals as much.

Back to the dolphins. If my kids were hungry and I had the last dolphin in the world I would eat it or sell it. Which ever put more food on the table. If my kids were starving I would kill and eat my pets. The reason I would do this is I value my families lives over any animals life, and I definitely value human life over any animal in this world.

P.S. Whey protein is great for building muscle mass. Gotta love those milk products. :cheers:

 

[SnakeAround]

But I do think whey protein only works if made easy accesable for us, as in powders. I don't think body builders drink loads of milk to support building muscle mass... so dairy contains good stuff, but it is hard to benefit from.

 

[MegF.]

I'll still drink my milk! I love it and nothing goes with a cookie like a glass of cold milk...mmmmm! As far as killing poachers...they aren't feeding their families with the animals they trap or kill, they are cutting off the hands, selling the babies into horrible conditions worse than their children would ever have. I have no use for poachers! What are they going to do when the last gorilla or dolphin is killed? They are a finite resource that is rapidly being diminished. They shouldn't have the children if they can't support them! Sell off some gorilla hands for condoms if you must!

 

[Austin M]

As I said I am all for conservation and it will be a sad day if dolphins or gorillas go extinct. I never want to see that happen. I was just trying to make the point that some people seem to place a higher value on animals than humans and I don't believe in that. Africa is in a sad state of affairs. You have millions of people slaughtered because of their tribe or religion. You have millions dieing of starvation. You have millions dying of disease. Those poachers do feed their families with the money from those animals, and most eat what they can't sell. I'm not justifying poaching, but I would be a poacher in Africa if I had no other hope of making money to feed my family. In the richest country of the world where the new number one cause of preventable death is being fat, it's easy to sit on a high horse. Americans have it so good they are eating themselves to death, literally. In the mean time outside our very shelter borders people are struggling to survive. I hope America never has a famine and the world says they shouldn't be producing kids then.

 

[MegF.]

Well if they were eating what they poached there wouldn't be rhino carcasses minus the horn or gorillas minus the hands laying out in the bush! People create their own state of affairs...if you can't feed em, don't have em! Animals don't have that choice so we must be advocates. I believe in hunting for food...I don't believe in poaching. There's a whole host of nearly extinct animals because of poaching. I agree that Africa is in a sad state of affairs, but poaching certainly isn't going to cure what ills that country...only make it worse!

 

[Pet Corn Snake]

Killing a animal slowly is not right.. killing an animal for any meal is right, if you leave one or two bits of the animal then i dont think thats a problem, we are ontop of the foodchain, or atleast were well up there!! and the animals might have feelings ect.. but humans need to eat... now killing for fun, well i dont agree with that at all, killing for money, its a way to make cash i guess, its not nice but it will still go towards people eating, its the same with fish! there are millions of fishermen, they kill, and sell.. its just the way of life, the point in this thread... it was to basically see your thoughts on animals suffering while being killing, i disagree with pain, i agree with eating..

If any of my points have affended you or caused you ANY stress.. please pm me, and i can explain this in more detail..


George.

 

[MegF.]

I don't believe any animal should suffer...for anything. Humane methods of killing are a must! I agree with you 100% there.

 

[Austin M]

it was to basically see your thoughts on animals suffering while being killing, i disagree with pain, i agree with eating..

George.[/QUOTE]

Sorry if I got off topic there. When it comes to animal suffering while being killed it's a tough thing to swallow. It would seem there would be a more efficient way to kill a dolphin that's for sure. When it comes to the wild there is no such thing as humane. When it comes to the wild there is no mercy. Weather it be a male lion killing cubs so he can get his freak on. A pack of wolves eating an elk while still alive. A chimp brutally beating a neighboring chimp for no reason and leaving it to die from wounds. And don't forget those quick easy meals known as babies. We are at the top of the food chain and can choose an efficient way to kill animals. Humane means kindness or humanistic values. Killing with kindness is a tough one and every culture has it's own set of values. So I guess your perspective of what a humane death for an animal would largely be based on where you live and who raised you.
I hope I didn't ruffle to many feathers. I'm not upset at all. I do enjoy a lively debate from time to time. I still love you all! lol