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The python that killed kids in 2013

Ravenessa

Ravenessa

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So, 1.5 years ago in Canada two kids were killed by a big rock python, now, this story have bothered me ever since...
This is the story:
http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/06/world/americas/canada-snake-deaths/

And I just emailed a reporter out of sheer curiosity with a few questions and details that has been bothering me since it came out. I am hoping that they have further answers to this story... I have a hard time to believe the snake "did" it.. I believe the father did it but maybe with the snakes help...

I might look like a dumb ass but I am ok with that, what bothers me is the list of weird things:

1. Which snakes coils two individuals at the same time? I can see it happen by accident however I have never seen it in my life.

2. The snake FELL on them from the ceiling, why didn't the father or the friend sleeping over wake up? I am sure the kids woke up when the snake landed on them, and yes snakes are fast but I can bet money there was at least time for some screaming. Again why didn't anyone wake up?

3. When you have a sleepover it is custom that the kids sleep together right? So why was the friend in another room?

and I just feel that it would be very hard for the snake to land, coil and kill two kids so fast and efficiently without a peep been said...

So they did the autopsy but that just showed asphyxiation in the preliminary report.. so where are the inner bruises, crush damage? there has to be some if the snake was that fast and violent right?

I could see the dad get the snake, get it to happen, one kid at the time, the other one with his mouth taped shut.. This has bothered me for 1.5 years so I reached out to a couple of reporters and pointed these little details out..
and I said I have been searching for a continued report, did you guys ever see one and what details did you see?

So maybe I can get an answer cause it is bugging me.. what do you guys think? am I completely crazy? (wouldn't be the first time)
 
I think all of those things bugging you were brought up and bugged the snake keeping community as well around when it happened but I don't remember hearing any good answers to those questions. It will be interesting to see if you can get any new details!
 
Really? I didn't know that, the one snake community I was part of never brought it up... To me this is weird.. But I guess that if father taped the kids mouth shut and got the snake to coil them it'd be hard to prove otherwise, unless and at this point it'd be too late, they would have to line up the kids for pressure marks as they should be correct to a degree. I doubt I will get any answers but maybe the journalist will a least send me something...
 
Yeah, there was a big discussion on the reptiles Canada forum about this when it happened, although I can't find it now, and everyone was highly sceptical of the story too. Apparently the criminal investigation closed finally this summer, so maybe there will be some answers available soon.
 
Last time I checked in on this story they had ruled out the snake as the killer. The kids didn't have bite marks or signs of being constricted.

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Oh snap, where?! I have been trying to find a continued report on it but nowhere.. PLEASE tell me you have the link somewhere in your history.. I am glad to hear that but weird that the news weren't all over THAT piece of fact.. *irony*
 
I'll try and look it up, there was a huge discussion about this on ball-pythons.net I know the thread is still open over there. I'm on my phone at work so I'll see what I can do about a link if I find the thread.

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I've got giant snakes so when this happened I flipped my lid trying to figure it out. The general consensus seems of be the snake was framed.

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So there is no real new information.. No autopsy released :(
All snake people agree on the framing though which makes me feel better but the news wont post that of course...
 
It's one of those sad realities that we'll probably never know for sure. However the lack of further negative news is potentially a good thing. If they had found the snake did it I guarantee we would have heard about it.

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Ravenessa said:
So, 1.5 years ago in Canada two kids were killed by a big rock python, now, this story have bothered me ever since...
This is the story:
http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/06/world/americas/canada-snake-deaths/

And I just emailed a reporter out of sheer curiosity with a few questions and details that has been bothering me since it came out. I am hoping that they have further answers to this story... I have a hard time to believe the snake "did" it.. I believe the father did it but maybe with the snakes help...

I might look like a dumb ass but I am ok with that, what bothers me is the list of weird things:

1. Which snakes coils two individuals at the same time? I can see it happen by accident however I have never seen it in my life.
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I have, though I seldom offer multiple prey items, a snake will constrict them in a group, as this little gray band shows.
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Ravenessa said:
2. The snake FELL on them from the ceiling, why didn't the father or the friend sleeping over wake up? I am sure the kids woke up when the snake landed on them, and yes snakes are fast but I can bet money there was at least time for some screaming. Again why didn't anyone wake up?
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It's certainly possible to sleep through noise, some people I've met could sleep by a train track. Not me, but I won't assume murder on the father from this detail.
Ravenessa said:
3. When you have a sleepover it is custom that the kids sleep together right? So why was the friend in another room?
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I always did. Again, nothing to convict on though.
Ravenessa said:
and I just feel that it would be very hard for the snake to land, coil and kill two kids so fast and efficiently without a peep been said...

So they did the autopsy but that just showed asphyxiation in the preliminary report.. so where are the inner bruises, crush damage? there has to be some if the snake was that fast and violent right?
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I thought for sure there would be an autopsy report, but I never heard anything.
Ravenessa said:
I could see the dad get the snake, get it to happen, one kid at the time, the other one with his mouth taped shut.. This has bothered me for 1.5 years so I reached out to a couple of reporters and pointed these little details out..
and I said I have been searching for a continued report, did you guys ever see one and what details did you see?
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If he taped the kid's mouth, I bet forensics would have noticed. That I do not think happened.
Ravenessa said:
So maybe I can get an answer cause it is bugging me.. what do you guys think? am I completely crazy? (wouldn't be the first time)
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A lot of things are strange and unexplained about this case. But I tend to think if the father was the murderer, he would have caved during questioning. And I'm unclear on motive. I have to lean that this was a senseless tragedy by an irresponsible parent and snake owner based on the little information at hand. It is certainly a strange one...
 
The fact remains no info was ever released saying there were bite marks on the children. Also the odds of three children sleeping through not only the animal crashing through the ceiling but then the turmoil and brutality of a big snake attack are just astronomical. I personally refuse to believe the snake is to blame. There would have been noise and there would have been a witness. Yes this is a tragedy no matter how you look at it. Two little boys lost their lives, I can't imagine going through this as a parent. Mind you I'm not one, but still to think that no one heard this going on is just obserd.

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While snakes have been known to constrict multiple items that are in the same area, these two children were not. They were in separate areas and so the snake would have had to kill one, and then go over and attack and constrict the other....what are the odds of that??? About as believable as Eaten Alive......
 
Ohh the boys slept separate too? I thought two slept together and the third in another room....

and Chip I might be wrong... I am not saying I am right, I just feel that it's iffy...
 
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