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Two new patterned additions - excited!

nexivred

nexivred

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I'm very excited to be collecting these two little CB13s soon. Currently they're both 144 miles away (in opposite directions!)

I've always wanted a gold dust (I love the yellow without the albino eyes), and when I saw this little motley stripe guy back at the start of February, I was in love! I adore his splatty stripe and cute face. He's coming home middle of March. This is Helios.





I had another CB13 space available that was crying out to be filled, but I wanted something a bit special. I started looking for a sunkissed but they'd all been snapped up. Then I came across this awesome looking anery aztec who turned out to be female! I loved her look, and it was a complete bonus what came out of the corncalc when I put her in with the gold dust, cos she's het amel and het or homo stripe or motley or both. Picking her up this weekend :) Meet Tetris.



Feel very lucky to have found two beauties to watch develop, who could also produce some lovely offspring and grandchildren. I'd love to be able to replicate that pattern too!
 
nexivred said:
anery aztec who turned out to be female! I loved her look, and it was a complete bonus what came out of the corncalc when I put her in with the gold dust, cos she's het amel and het or homo stripe or motley or both.
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Very beautiful snakes!

The aztec look rather motley. Does it have black belly checkers?

If it have black belly checkers then it is not motley, but might be het motley or het stripe.
 
I don't know about the belly yet, and when I asked about the hets I didn't get a clear answer: "hiya the hets are carolina amel anery aztec stripe zig zag and part stripe".

From that I gathered het amel and at least het stripe. Clutchmates looked motley and pinstripe motley aztec pattern so goodness knows what's het and what's homo. I'll ask about the belly but it does seem motley is the gene at play rather than stripe. Not that I'd find out seeing as motley is dominant and the Gold Dust has it too.
 
Helios is a motley. You have no way of knowing if she has one motley gene and one stripe gene, or two motley genes, without breeding her to a stripe. Unless you know one of her parents was a stripe. You CANNOT determine if a motley phenotype has a stripe gene or not simply by the pattern demonstrated.
 
"Do you normally..
..hijack a thread announcing to people (rudely) that they categorically have not listed a morph correctly? And assume they've come to an unintelligent conclusion on the morph (based on just viduals not genetics) you feel you must correct with the use of CAPS to get your point across? Before even asking any questions, or even saying anything nice about the actual subject of the thread?

You're not the only one who knows about genetics, and noone asked your opinion in this case either. You come across as mean and arrogant, Nanci."

I'm just making sure the correct genetic information is out there. No need to get pissy at me.
 
No need? Check your tone and proof read your posts before you decide what's an appropriate reaction to them. Might be enlightening.

And thanks for the correct genetic information. Your blind assumption someone's default is to be ignorant of it, and then curt and cold deliverance of such information is astounding, even for the internet.

Unless you can say something nice, best not to click that reply button, hmm?


Back ON topic, I'm waiting for confirmation (and hopefully a pic) of the anery's belly. If there are checkers then looking at the clutchmates, some of whome are regular looking motleys and pinstripe motleys, my guess would be het motley and it's line breeding that's causing the aztec?
 
I don't need you to tell me what tone I need to be posting in, thank you. Maybe you, as an enlightened individual, choose to use an out-of-date, ambiguous term like motley/stripe, and that is your right. I'm just attempting to prevent confusion in others, since many of the persons reading this forum are not genetics "experts" like yourself.
 
Well,

I have no idea whether it's motley/stripe, pinstripe motley, or whatever.
And I'm not sure how many individuals post here on a daily basis.... Nor do I know how many people have come & gone since rich began this site....
But the one thing I DO know....

You don't pull on supermans cape & you don't spit into the wind....(which you've managed to do both in one post......)

That being said.....

Enjoy your stay here. No matter how short or long it may be.
 
Thanks for the kind words Rich, I joined a little while back and hadn't planned on leaving any time soon.

Sorry I'm not too familiar with those phrases, or at least in this context? Unless they're condoning the way that lady speaks to people and I should roll over and accept it for some reason? I hope that's not the case.

Nanci, there's not a lot someone can say if you don't get the problem. However don't think that I took it to PMs to hide what I had to say to you because there's nothing wrong with stating the obvious. There is however with derailing a thread with disagreement. Which you seem desperate to continue to do so for some reason.
 
It wasn't the genetic facts, everyone obviously appreciates the extensive knowledge of some of the members here. And I'm sorry you prefer motley het stripe or whichever description over the one I used.
My issue is it was simply down to the way you said it. I don't understand how you can't see a problem with the tone of it. Or maybe you do, but consider yourself immune (considering your reply about the tone) due to your standing on this forum. I don't know. All I do know is I don't subscribe to that and would just like to focus on my new pick ups, one of which you can see I don't actually understand the genetics behind. So by all means give me some advice on that one because I'm not an expert.
 
The Cornsnake Morph Guide is the closest thing "we" the cornsnake community have to a naming convention. That is my reference in calling the term "motley/stripe" ambiguous and confusing. If you would like to argue genetic terminology with Chuck Pritzel- go for it.
 
nexivred said:
"hiya the hets are carolina amel anery aztec stripe zig zag and part stripe".
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So you say you visually see an anery aztec.

The breeder, or nephew, lists these as hets:

"Carolina"- the overseas term for normal or wild-type. Can't be het for that.

Amel- okay

Anery- he already is homozygous anery

Aztec- not a mendelian trait, it can be attempted to be selectively bred for. The snake can't be het Aztec.

Stripe- one parent has to be a stripe- do you know that for a fact? Did you see the parent yourself? Many people will call a snake with a pattern similar to your Helios a stripe- either out of ignorance or they truly believe it is a stripe, or that somehow a striped motley pattern indicates the presence of a stripe gene (it does not).

Zig-Zag- not a mendelian trait, it can be attempted to be selectively bred for. The snake can't be het zig-zag.

"Part Stripe"- what even is that?

If we don't all use correct terminology, as information gets passed along, no one knows what is really going on with the snakes, genetically. The "info" that has been relayed to you about Tetris' genetic make-up is a huge mess of misinformation, as told to you.

It's why I am such a proponent of the American Cornsnake Registry- it keeps the genetic facts straight.
 
So has the golddust + "albino eyes" = incompatible........equation/discrepancy/error...been addressed yet?

Or do we still have that to look forward to?




Same as : golddust + "albino eyes" ≠ compatible....genetically. I know it is a subtlety, but genetically speaking in the formal sense......
 
I agree. The genetics given to me on Tetris are a compleye state and they're not well informed. Until I can get pictures of the parents it's anyone's guess as to what that all means. There's one picture of an adult anery motley which could well be a parent but he hasn't got back to me yet. I suspect stripe may have sod all to do with it and he's misinterpreted the pattern. The fact that someone lists Carolina as a het automatically casts doubt on everything else they say really.

Out of interest, what's the correct terminology for a corn with both a motley and stripe gene?

Sorry, regarding the eye colour I should have said amel. I like the fact they don't have amel eyes. They have sort of greeny gold ones don't they?
 
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