Two new patterned additions - excited!

[vetusvates]

"Motley". If one motley gene is present, a snake cannot technically precisely be called a true stripe. Said differently, if a snake is not a true stripe, it is a motley. For this reciprocal reason, I do not formally use the word stripe except for a homozygous stripe snake. That is how I think of it.

(It has been my observation that more than a few cornsnake people use the moniker "motley/stripe" or "motley-stripe". And most everyone else knows what they mean. That is...as long as the original user of the moniker, in a given conversation, knows what they themselves are saying... )

Some people say "grass".....some say "delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol". I would say the latter over the former in every instance.
No ambiguity.

And yes, I like the way golddust's have kind of ruby pupils with green eyes, too. At least that is how they look to me and how I've described them before.

 

[nexivred]

It seems to be the more common term in the UK, but perhaps because it's easier to explain how they share a locus by saying it that way. When people say motley het stripe it causes confusion amongst some. Also the corncalc refers to such animals as motley stripe. It does seem almost pointless to mention the stripe though seeing as it's basically lost when motley is present.

 

[vetusvates]

"Motley het stripe" is really a pejorative.
If...it is motley...(or for those who regularly require therapeutic genetic remediation, "motley/stripe"),...
then...it is "het motley and het stripe".

Observe:
Ultramel is ultramel.
It is not ultra/amel.
Nor is it ultra, het amel.
If one awakened one morning feeling particularly verbose, yet "cerebrally" foggy,..."het ultra, het amel" might be less taxing on the brain, I suppose.

 

[Nanci]

I was a long-time proponent of the term motley het stripe, but Nate finally convinced me of the logic of het Motley, heterozygous Stripe. Because the snake isn't homo motley...(sorry, my spell check REALLY likes to spell out heterozygous...)

The confusion comes in when people see a snake such as Helios, and _call_ it a motley/stripe, based solely on the pattern, with no knowledge of genetics. The correct term for any motley, regardless of genetic makeup, that has a long stripe running the length of the body, mostly unbroken, is pinstripe motley.

And I think it's very important to _know_ the presence, or absence, of the stripe gene in a motley snake. Last season I had a three-person project "ruined," (we bred for stripe, because the Tessera snake was reportedly heterozygous stripe) because of an unexpected motley gene. If anyone can reliably pick out a motley Tessera- please show me how. I think the best we can do is guess. And what is the point of having a homo gene if you can't visually ID it? /rant

 

[nexivred]

Yes I've seen people wrongly label a motley animal because it looks like a stripe, not dots. Motley varies massively, and the only way we know Heluis has a stripe gene is cos his mum's a stripe.
I've looked at a lot of posts about tessera with stripe and motley and wouldn't bother to even hazard guesses. The only thing I look out for when it comes to motleys or stripes is the little "bunny ears" beginning stripes seem to have that motleys don't. Do tesseras exhibit that?

Perhaps a corn with both a stripe and a motley gene should have it combined like ultramel then. Strotley.

 

[nexivred]

Christ, can someone who can edit sort my typos -___-

 

[Nanci]

I think you have Tetris figured out. Anery Aztec. Pretty extreme Aztec, or I should say, complete. It's reminiscent of what bloodred (diffused) sometimes does to a pattern, as seen in Tessera.

 

[vetusvates]

Perhaps a corn with both a stripe and a motley gene should have it combined like ultramel then. Strotley.

Lol...excellent idea !!! :cheers:


Seems like I remember a lovely young rhinoceros chappy named "Stroppy".....in Africa, NZ, or somewhere...

ETA :
strop·py [strop-ee]
adjective, strop·pi·er, strop·pi·est. British Informal.
bad-tempered or hostile; quick to take offense.

 

[dave partington]

Unless of course it's WideStripe, which has the bridge of color across the back of neck AND belly checkers. Which would have been my first guess. Having hatched out a lot of them.

See: http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=123244

 

[vetusvates]

Unless of course it's out of WideStripe, which has the bridge of color across the back of neck AND belly checkers.

See: http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=123244

Wossy
Sossy
Woefully saucy...

 

[dave partington]

Wossy
Sossy
Woefully saucy...

Always good to see others mixing up patterns, to create visuals, which might or might not prove out to be what they look like. Breeding them to Motley will, in most instances, result in Motleys.

 

[vetusvates]

Dave, it is truly good to see you.
And since, try as I might,...I can't bring you to Jesus...

I'm going to bring Jesus to you....

 

[dave partington]

Yes I've seen people wrongly label a motley animal because it looks like a stripe, not dots. Motley varies massively, and the only way we know Heluis has a stripe gene is cos his mum's a stripe.
I've looked at a lot of posts about tessera with stripe and motley and wouldn't bother to even hazard guesses. The only thing I look out for when it comes to motleys or stripes is the little "bunny ears" beginning stripes seem to have that motleys don't. Do tesseras exhibit that?

Perhaps a corn with both a stripe and a motley gene should have it combined like ultramel then. Strotley.

Strotley, Funny you mention this line of text I made bold above. I have a visual motley which is striped, and proven out to be homo for one gene of motley, one gene of stripe. (and maybe a half dozen more breeding for their first time this year).

It will be interesting pairing your striped mot to the Anery.Thing. (lovin it), to see if you get some offspring carrying the checker belly trait. It appears that the more criss-crossing of pattern morphs and loosening up of their genomes occurs, the more odd and hard-to-label-for-certain snakes come to be. That's how we get new morphs in our hobby. Thanks for sharing. dp

 

[dave partington]

Dave, it is truly good to see you.
And since, try as I might,...I can't bring you to Jesus...

I'm going to bring Jesus to you....

Thanks Psychic Eric. He goes rather well with Armin Van Buuren playing on Pandora.

More widestripe photos.
From F1 anery widestripe X dilute motley with no pattern other than motley.

 

[vetusvates]

Thanks Psychic Eric. He goes rather well with Armin Van Buuren playing on Pandora.

Today has been another "Giovanni Pierluigi da Palestrina" kind of day on Pandora for me.

 

[nexivred]

Thanks for that link to the other thread, really interesting. Got a few photos to share, it's funny wide stripe was mentioned...

Trying to work out the age/size of this one to see if it could be a parent. Colours look older but kitchen roll seems quite large?

 

[nexivred]

and some other babies (who may or may not be clutch mates. Think he said there were two clutches).

 

[nexivred]

I also have a male visual stripe to perhaps try as well. I think Tetris might have a busy future ahead of her...

 

[Nanci]

I wonder why I can't see a lot of the photos, at work. Then at home, I can.

 

[nexivred]

Mum


Dad


And Tetris's belly is indeed checkered. Both mum and dad were bred by him and he still has the parents, (not sure if they're siblings yet.)