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Ultra & Ultramel

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graffixcs

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I have heard and read that a few breeders have produced ultras and ultramels without knowing it. Is there any way visually to tell these apart and how?

I will be the first to admit I do not understand the significance behind these genes.

Thanks in advance for helping me get this straight. :cheers:
 
Ultra is a hypo like trait. Ultramels are an inbetween of a hypo trait and amelanism.

Ultramels should look more amelanistic, while ultras just appear to be hypo like.

I also believe that ultramels will have a red pupil with a dark iris---I'm not sure if ultras have that red pupil or not.
 
Thanks Joe, that makes sense, but how is an ultra more significant than say a "Fluorescent" amel for example if it is another version of a "brighter" snake. :shrugs:

My point is (and I am in no way discounting the value of these), I do not understand why ultras and ultramels bring the prices they do , and yet hatchlings from bright amel lines are a fraction of the cost. There must be more to them than just the colour IMO.
 
graffixcs said:
Thanks Joe, that makes sense, but how is an ultra more significant than say a "Fluorescent" amel for example if it is another version of a "brighter" snake. :shrugs:

My point is (and I am in no way discounting the value of these), I do not understand why ultras and ultramels bring the prices they do , and yet hatchlings from bright amel lines are a fraction of the cost. There must be more to them than just the colour IMO.
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It's the genetics.

An ultra x opal = Ultramels het lavender.

Ultramel het lav x ultramel het lav gives you a good chance at ultramel lavenders and ultra lavenders----something totally new.

What you might be missing is that ultra is not an extreme variation of hypo A, it's a whole new gene that happens to share the same locus as amelanism.
 
BINGO ! That is exactly what I was missing. It makes a lot more sense now and explains why they are "brighter" for want of a better word.

Thank you again Joe. The more I learn the more I realise I don't know.
 
graffixcs said:
Is there any way visually to tell these apart and how?
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If you were to be presented with a picture of both an ultra and an ultramel, the difference is quite striking, there is no mistaking which is which. I wish I could help you there, but alas, I don't have either. :cry:
 
JTGoff69 said:
If you were to be presented with a picture of both an ultra and an ultramel, the difference is quite striking, there is no mistaking which is which. I wish I could help you there, but alas, I don't have either. :cry:
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Me either, yet. (and I just checked 30+ corns to be sure) lol :rolleyes:
 
Little Flipmo in my avatar is an ultramel and you can 'kinda' see in this photo that he has ruby pupils. He's from an Ultramel anery dad and a sunglow motley het caramel mum. I have a chance of making some goldusts from him with my amel het caramel female and if he proves to be het caramel het's going with my butter too...and perhaps my sunglow motley too....busy boy huh!!! -and to think he's only 5 weeks old now and is already betrothed to about 4 of my girls!

If he is het caramel after all, I might have some golddust motlies in 3-4 years!!!!


From what I understand, Ultra's look pretty much like a standard Hypo so it's only if you know it's an ultra through breeding trials or from who you purchased it from, you could be forgiven for thinking it's 'just' a hypo.
 
Thanks A!

I am trying to get my headaround the whole deal, heck I am still stumbling on genetics period! Slowly, very slowly it is starting to make sense. :headbang:
 
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