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Ultramel and Blue Anery
- Thread starter SickPyth7
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BabyMowgli
just one more....
that second one is gorgeous! What big eyes he has! soo cute!
Jynx
Digger, RN
Well, the "blue" is just a selective bred thing showing up in anery lines I believe. I'm not surprised he's lighter colored and peachy... motley tends to do that. My concern is that he has quite a light appearance, more so than most anery motleys I've seen, especially to have no hypo in there. I'm one of the people that believes a pastel motley doesn't have to be homo hypo though, so if you asked me, thats what I'd call him. I wouldn't peg him as blue. When I mentioned Susan's, I meant unmistakingly blue-toned.
http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22545&highlight=blued+steel
http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24438&highlight=blued+steel
Your's really doesn't fit into that catagory by looks alone. Like I said, more pastel than anything. He doesn't fit the "in-betweeny" color, but there's something goin on in there. Where did you pick him up at? You may want to talk to Susan, and see if maybe he is related. She has quite a few peachy/pastel anerys as well that I believe have no hypo gene at work. Ya never know. Even if the anery lines are not tied in, there might be some sort of hypo impersonator gene out there thats doing this to motleys. :shrugs:
http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22545&highlight=blued+steel
http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24438&highlight=blued+steel
Your's really doesn't fit into that catagory by looks alone. Like I said, more pastel than anything. He doesn't fit the "in-betweeny" color, but there's something goin on in there. Where did you pick him up at? You may want to talk to Susan, and see if maybe he is related. She has quite a few peachy/pastel anerys as well that I believe have no hypo gene at work. Ya never know. Even if the anery lines are not tied in, there might be some sort of hypo impersonator gene out there thats doing this to motleys. :shrugs:
Susan
Go Ahead, Make My Day!
You definately have something! I can see the difference between yours and the "typical" anerys and ghosts. I can see a resembance to what I had hatch out this year, although yours has more pink/peach. My male was also getting some pink/peach but unfortunately, he was a non-feeder and died a couple of weeks ago. My female is doing great and shows just a tiny hint of pink/peach, but she is definately different than her anery mot clutchmate. He is also lightening up, but is getting more brown tones while the "blued steel" is staying that odd greyish/blue. And she looks NOTHING like any ghost I've ever hatched out. Both of her parents are het ghost, but I really don't think she is homozygous hypo...more like a variation of anery, but only future breeding trials will tell for sure.
I just took these pics (3 of the female blued steel mot and 2 of her anery mot clutchmate). Sorry for the background, but they JUST ate. I took the pics in as exactly the same way as possible on my kitchen table.
I just took these pics (3 of the female blued steel mot and 2 of her anery mot clutchmate). Sorry for the background, but they JUST ate. I took the pics in as exactly the same way as possible on my kitchen table.
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ecreipeoj
Striped Topaz SK SG Free
They look BLUE to me!
Not to pick on you Joe, because the opinions on these guys are very split, but I have some Blue Motleys and they are not Pastel Motleys or selectively bred Anery Motleys. They are quite different.
People sure get hung up on the Blue name being put on any Corn, but blue is used to describe many colors on many different animals that are not the color of blue in a rainbow. Blue Heelers, Blue Rats, Blue Beagles, Blue Steel and on and on. I believe these guys are the same color blue as all of these other animals and calling them blue is not wrong.
In all of these other animals, the color is caused by a dilute gene, that changes black into blue. The same gene changes brown into lavender. I believe that there are many subtle genes in our Corns that we have not isolated out yet. There is a similar type of thing going on in the Lavender Corns that changes the normally lavender color into a pinkish color, just like it has been diluted. Dilute genes are not the same as hypo gene, but similar. I do not have any proof yet, but I believe there is some mutant genetic cause of the Blue Motleys other than selective breeding. The originators of the line have bred offspring from a Blue back to its parent and about 50% of the clutch were Blues again. This is not what we would expect from a Candy Cane which is definitely a selectively bred for trait.
There is a lot of people that discount these Blue Motleys, but I have never heard of one single person that actually has them that does not believe they are something much more than a Pastel Motley. A Pastel Motley they are not. An Anery Motley perhaps, but with something added to the mix. We need to breed them into the Lavs and Charcoals and see if we can see the same effect in them. It seems to only show up, on the darker mutants or colors. It could probably change a Red Amel to Orange and we wouldn’t even know it
The normal color of the animals in the attached photos is BLACK. With the added diluted gene they are BLUE. They look very similar in color to the Blue Motleys to me. The use of the color description of BLUE is used in many other areas of the animal world and is a very accepted usage. Why do Corn people have to be so stubborn when it comes to the usage of Blue? We base all of our Corn Snake Trade Names on usage and Blue is used to describe the color of many other animals color coats and has other meanings such as Blue Steel, that are not the color of a blue crayon. There is some basis for us to call these guys Blue Motleys.
I will be working on some proof, as I am sure many others will be. I will be extremely surprised if I can not get this gene to show itself in a Granite or Pewter for example.
Not to pick on you Joe, because the opinions on these guys are very split, but I have some Blue Motleys and they are not Pastel Motleys or selectively bred Anery Motleys. They are quite different.
People sure get hung up on the Blue name being put on any Corn, but blue is used to describe many colors on many different animals that are not the color of blue in a rainbow. Blue Heelers, Blue Rats, Blue Beagles, Blue Steel and on and on. I believe these guys are the same color blue as all of these other animals and calling them blue is not wrong.
In all of these other animals, the color is caused by a dilute gene, that changes black into blue. The same gene changes brown into lavender. I believe that there are many subtle genes in our Corns that we have not isolated out yet. There is a similar type of thing going on in the Lavender Corns that changes the normally lavender color into a pinkish color, just like it has been diluted. Dilute genes are not the same as hypo gene, but similar. I do not have any proof yet, but I believe there is some mutant genetic cause of the Blue Motleys other than selective breeding. The originators of the line have bred offspring from a Blue back to its parent and about 50% of the clutch were Blues again. This is not what we would expect from a Candy Cane which is definitely a selectively bred for trait.
There is a lot of people that discount these Blue Motleys, but I have never heard of one single person that actually has them that does not believe they are something much more than a Pastel Motley. A Pastel Motley they are not. An Anery Motley perhaps, but with something added to the mix. We need to breed them into the Lavs and Charcoals and see if we can see the same effect in them. It seems to only show up, on the darker mutants or colors. It could probably change a Red Amel to Orange and we wouldn’t even know it
The normal color of the animals in the attached photos is BLACK. With the added diluted gene they are BLUE. They look very similar in color to the Blue Motleys to me. The use of the color description of BLUE is used in many other areas of the animal world and is a very accepted usage. Why do Corn people have to be so stubborn when it comes to the usage of Blue? We base all of our Corn Snake Trade Names on usage and Blue is used to describe the color of many other animals color coats and has other meanings such as Blue Steel, that are not the color of a blue crayon. There is some basis for us to call these guys Blue Motleys.
I will be working on some proof, as I am sure many others will be. I will be extremely surprised if I can not get this gene to show itself in a Granite or Pewter for example.
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ecreipeoj
Striped Topaz SK SG Free
Here are a few photos of my Blue Motleys. These photos have not been altered in any way, just taken in different lighting conditions. I have never been able to get a photo to capture their true colors, due to my camera not being up to the task. I took these photos if various lighting conditions to try to show how different they are. My male is extremely pink compared to my female, but she has some pink on her as well. This one photo of the male, I took as the sun was going down outside behind him. The conditions caught all of his pink coloration, but not his blue.
The Blue Motleys could be caused by something like a pink gene that puts a pinkish case on top of the entire snake. This may cause an Anery to look blue. I have seen this in the Lavenders as well. Pink on top of the Lav and not just in the background color, which gives them a mocha look when they are little and totally pink when they are grown. The Blue Motleys are very interesting and time will tell what we can prove about them.
The Blue Motleys could be caused by something like a pink gene that puts a pinkish case on top of the entire snake. This may cause an Anery to look blue. I have seen this in the Lavenders as well. Pink on top of the Lav and not just in the background color, which gives them a mocha look when they are little and totally pink when they are grown. The Blue Motleys are very interesting and time will tell what we can prove about them.
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SickPyth7
Snakes
Its funny cause my camera doesn't take the best shots (colorwise). Honestly the last half of his body is really blue toned but the 1st half believe it or not looks purple, in person that is!
I'm for sure he's a blue. Genetics?... well I guess the future in this project will eventually reveal itself. If only I could show everyone in person. I hope he ends up looking like those blue's Joe has pictured. WOW!
I'm for sure he's a blue. Genetics?... well I guess the future in this project will eventually reveal itself. If only I could show everyone in person. I hope he ends up looking like those blue's Joe has pictured. WOW!