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What are miami corns???

MysticStarRepts

MysticStarRepts

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HELP! I wanted to use my predictor program to play with what my hypo miamis will breed BUT it is not on the program. I know that Miami are localty based but they are not regular corns either. Would I treat them the same as a normal in the program? Please someone help!
Thanks!
Nicole Winovich
 
Hi MysticStarRepts, a Miami is a Normal or "wild type" corn. Therefor you treat it on the predictor as a normal, in other words, you don't select anything for it. It is called a Miami due to the color that is like the locality ones but they are a normal just like a candy cane and reverse okeetee are amels and would be selected on the predictor as "amels". Hope this helps.
 
Howdy Neighbor! I am in Morgan Hill!
Gardenmum is right, Miamis are just a normal, specially bred for the coloring. When you cross an Miami with other types of corns, you tend to get animals that look like something inbetween. There is no such thing as "het" for Miami. It is very unlikely you will get anything that looks like a "good" Miami when you cross them out with other corns and it usually takes a few generations of breeding those outcrosses back into Miami lines before you get "good" Miamis again. But sometimes you can get lucky.
Carol
 

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Like you say, Miamis are not normal (AKA wild type) corns. Wild type corns look like the corns most commonly found in the wild, which eliminates both Miamis and Okeetees from the wild type classification whether or not they were caught in the wild. Unfortunately, so far nobody has spent the time to figure out the genetics of either Miami or Okeetee. Whch is not surprising because either one seems a pretty hard problem.

Here's a rule of thumb for when either Miami or Okeetee are in the mix. If both parents show the Miami (Okeetee) look, then all the babies will show the Miami (Okeetee) look. If only one parent is Miami (Okeetee), then most to all will show some Miami (Okeetee) influence. This isn't exact, but it will have to do until better information gets turned up. :(
 
RE: Miami

Thanks for all of the respones. That (unfortuantely) was exactly what I thought. LOL I hate being right when I don't want to be. I have attached 2 pics that came from a Hypo to Miami cross. These were said to be "Hypo Miami" babies, but they looked too dark for me except 1 (the red one pictured) to be Hypos nor do they actually look like the Hypo Miamis I have seen.

Carol, we'd love to meet ya! We are at The Reptile Ranch (used to be Primitive Pets) in Gilroy (621 1st St) later Saturday afternoon. The snakes pictures actually came from the owners who have tons of experiance and breed almost everything!

Everyone, please let me know what you think of these kids!
Thanks!
Nicole & Shane Winovich
(proud owners of WAY too many snakes in a 1 Bed Apt!)
 

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They look like normals to me. A Hypo X Miami cross will not produce hypos unless the Miami is het for hypo. Considering there are no hidden hets, that pairing should give you 100% normal babies. I'd love to come down to say hi!, but I got my Mother in Law visiting this weekend. Here is a pic of a baby Hypo Miami for reference.
 

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Carol, what an awesome snake, wow. I am currently buying a pair of miami's from you, and can't wait to see them, you have such beautiful snakes. I would love to see a picture of an adult hypo miami, or even a hypo motley miami, if anyone has any, awesome snake you have. Wish I was out in Cali, I am stuck in SD and it's supposed to snow this weekend. Brrrrrr.
 
gilroy? morgan hill? fresno? I'm close too!!!

Hello all,
Do one of you have for sale or know someone closeby who has a male bloodred for sale that will breed this next spring?

6.10 corn snakes
3.3 rosy boas
0.1 leopard gecko


Thanks,
Franklin
 
Male Bloodred

I personally am looking for one too! LOL However, I will ask around and see if I can find one for you. You can email me directly at [email protected]. What color morph is your Leo? I do have a male leo or sale but that can be discussed off-forumn. :)
Nicole & Shane Winovich
 
I am a bit confused. Is a hypo miami different than a crimson? I though that a crimson was simply a hypo miami. Is crimson just a different name for hypo miami?
 
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I have breed a Crimson to a Candy cane, all juvie's turn out like a miami, some one can tell me the reasson, if miami is not genaticli pressent ??

here's a pic
 

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www.snakes.nl said:
I have breed a Crimson to a Candy cane, all juvie's turn out like a miami, some one can tell me the reasson, if miami is not genaticli pressent ??
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If you were to breed an "albino" Jack Russell terrier to a "hypo" Jack Russell terrier, it only makes sense that the offspring will be Jack Russell terriers, and not great danes. ;)

The "Miami look" is a result of genetic control. However, it is not the result of a single "miami" gene. You have basically crossed a "hypo miami" to an "albino miami." (Where "miami" is interpreted to mean "it has very little or no ground color.")
 
Serpwidgets said:
If you were to breed an "albino" Jack Russell terrier to a "hypo" Jack Russell terrier, it only makes sense that the offspring will be Jack Russell terriers, and not great danes. ;)

The "Miami look" is a result of genetic control. However, it is not the result of a single "miami" gene. You have basically crossed a "hypo miami" to an "albino miami." (Where "miami" is interpreted to mean "it has very little or no ground color.")
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my thought excectly.... we have a discusion on a dutch forum about my offspring..... that they could not be miami, because the are a crossbreed.

with regards
 
I am from S. Fla (about a half hour drive from downtown Miami). I live in Gainesville now, but I grew up there, and I did have at least a few Corns as a kid. There are at least a couple of breeders in Florida who breed only 'locality' Miamis, and they would argue with someone who tried to call any snake with a grey background a 'Miami phase.' They also like they grey/silver background, as that is what they feel best represents the perfect specimen from the Miami area, based on their experience collecting them. I guess if you are living in a different state it becomes more difficult to stick to true locality Miami phase Corns, breeding only within those lines (from WC specimens.) So there are both types of breeders: those breeding 'locality' Miami phase that hopefully have the desired appearance, and those breeding what they can call a 'Miami' because it has a grey or silver background. Neither is right or wrong, imo, but they are obviously not the same thing, and I personally think recognition should be given to those who try to keep any locality line 'pure' for future breeders to work with.
 
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