What are my odds here?

[Jeepluv77]

Yeah, I had three before and they were all delights. I could take all three on walks on the beach or at a park and have no fear of any trying to escape. Got them as babies and they all tried to bolt but never struck. Took about a month of several half hour to hour handling sessions per day(except after feedings) to get them to calm down but then anyone could just walk in and pick them up. I'm wondering if the bedding may actually be hindering the process by giving her too many options. They were all kept on reptile carpets and eventually just thick layers of newspaper. I think I'm going to have a nice little collection here with an amel(i think!), an anery, and a creamsicle. I'm wondering what would happen if the anery and creamsicle ended up being a male/female pair and reproduced. If the babies would be pretty or contribute anything to bloodlines I'd let them have at it, but otherwise I don't see any pros to it. However, I'm guessing it wouldn't go well because I can't find anything online about it. Part of me wonders if creamsicles are sterile since they're hybrids. Either way it'll be interesting, once this one calms down a lot, to see if she'd take to the other two. I'm going to attempt feeding her tomorrow before I move her into the smaller viv.

 

[WingedSweetheart]

Most people on here are against co-habbing. Corns are not social and don't really want to be around other snakes unless for breeding. I would introduce the babies at least until they calm down because that will add to their stress. Even if they are calm I still would nit suggest introducing them unless to breed. I tried to introduce my corns a long time ago before I knew better and it was obvious they didn't want anything to do with each other.

As for the color of your snake, it sound like an Amel. Amels are albinos. In the corn world the word albino is not used.

As for the other babies you seen. Creamcicles are a mix between corn and rat snake and usually get bigger than a corn snake. Hybrid genetics are a whole different ball game and to know what you would get from babies is hard to predict. I dont think it's really for beginners unless you don't care what the babies look like or what their genetics are. But then you will have a hard time selling them unless you give them to a pet shop.
The baby Anery will most likely look a lot different when it gets older. I love the black and grey on baby aneries but they don't stay that way. The black will normally lighten up a lot and look more dark gray. Also babies do not have any yellow but it will most likely develope as the snake gets older. Some get a lot of yellow along the neck and some get less but it's almost a given that they will get the yellow. However there are a few who don't get any but it is impossible to tell who will or won't as a baby. If you want a higher chance of getting a snake that looks Anery but without yellow you could get a charcoal (Anery b).

Excluding the creamcicle, if you breed the snakes you won't get anything amazing. Only common corn morphs.

 

[Jeepluv77]

I picked up the new guys today. They are much more social. The amel is a girl and the motley anery and creamsicle are both boys. I didn't plan on breeding them but, of course, was still curious as to what the outcome would be. I know the anery's color is going to change, in fact I expect them all to change quite a bit, but his pattern is so interesting. I'll try to get pics when everyone settles in. The creamsicle was poking his head out of the hide within an hour of coming home. He is a little skittish about being handled but nothing like the amel girly. The anery is the most laid back baby cornsnake I've ever seen. Nothing phases him, even when the cashier at the store tapped her finger on the top of their coming-home-cup. The store put them in the same cup as they've been in the same cage the whole time. The anery showed almost no response but the creamsicle tried to strike. It's the only time I've seen it from him although he did pull back when I went to take him out of the cup. Once he was out he was fine and tried to explore my arm. The anery, again, didn't seem to care much when I picked him up to put him in the viv. So far he's proven to be the happy go lucky one. It's amazing to see three snakes, the same size so presumably at least close in age, with such starkly different personalities. The creamsicle's jumpy yet friendly enough is what I'd expected. The amel is way more skittish than I've ever seen and the anery is so far beyond what I could have hoped for as far as tolerance. I'm going to attempt feeding everyone tomorrow if the creamsicle is looking calm enough. The amel probably won't be any calmer but she hasn't eaten since the 28th so I've got to at least try. Her weight appears to be holding steady, though. The new guys last ate on the 2nd so they're overdue as well. As far as cohabbing, I'm setting up another tank now that I know they're both males. As of right now they're curled up together in one hide even though there are two in there. I have to wonder if it's just the comfort of someone familiar with them in this strange new place. I'll have teh other viv ready and take it day by day. When they seem to no longer have any interest in each other I'll seperate them and if they never do I'll keep that tank as a hospital tank should anyone start to appear to be in less than pristine health. Being a fishkeeper for 10 years now I'm a firm believer in quarantine and hospital setups.

 

[Nanci]

The snakes that are together in one hide are just together because they both like the hide, not because they like each other. Each would rather have its own hide, alone, in its own viv.

 

[WingedSweetheart]

The snakes that are together in one hide are just together because they both like the hide, not because they like each other. Each would rather have its own hide, alone, in its own viv.

Yup. If the both like the hide and the temp in that hide they will both go in there. People think they are cuddling but they are really trying to get the same spot and sometimes will bully the other in order to get the best spot. So that's why one will be on top of the other.

I will be honest that some people do co-hab. But there is several cons and no benefits to the snakes. I choose not to risk having any of the cons appear anywhere along the line.

Some risks:
- It's rare but corns will sometimes cannibalize (usually it's babies but adults will try too). They can be well fed and be fed in separate containers. They will do it for seemingly no reason. Both snakes normally die when this happens. Google it. There are pictures.

- If one snake gets sick they both get sick.

- If one snake throws up you wont know who did it unless you witnessed it.

- Same goes for poop. If someone has a strange poo or diarrhea you won't know who did it unless you witnessed it.

- The snakes may appear fine to us but may actually be stressed which can cause several problems in itself (regurg, not eating, ect).

So if you co-hab you have to worry about these things happening at any time as long as the snakes are together. Where as if the snakes have their own tanks these risks don't apply.

 

[carnivorouszoo]

I saved a pair of cohabbed snakes, between the stress of competing for prime spots, possibly being fed together and fighting over food (never got told if they fed together or not), they were also overfed and never handled because "they had each other". I'm attaching pics so you can see how bad they got and they were together from day one in the former owner's home at maybe a month old. They are 13 now.

 

[Naagas]

Cohabbing is stressful to the snakes. There is also no reason to do it. Enclosures can be as cheap as a buck for babies.
My rule is if I can't afford the enclosure, then I can't afford the snake.
Why risk cannibalism, regurges, or other stress illnesses? These can happen seemingly for no reason with snakes that have always lived together.

Your feisty baby will calm down. All babies are more frightened than adults. I've never had any of my adults threaten to bite me even. Of course, they all got regular handling, no matter what their attitudes were.

 

[Jeepluv77]

The males(creamsicle and anery) have settled in very well. The anery is now named Chill because he's so laid back. The creamsicle still runs a bit but doesn't strike. He likes to nestle in a closed hand with his head poked out. I'm not sure if it's the warmth, the fact that he can observe while having the option of a quick retreat, or a combination of the two. Chill absolutely doesn't care how he's held. He's just a happy go lucky guy learning about the world. The amel, on the other hand, seems to be getting more skittish by the day. I put them all in their feeding bins for their first meals since coming home and she was a terror to deal with. She struck repeatedly when I tried to get her out, bit me twice when I finally got her in my hand(which, of course didn't hurt yet), and then struck at the side of feeding bin at me several times when I was standing a few feet away getting their pinkies ready. She ate quickly, though, so I guess that's a good thing. I'm hoping she was just super hungry causing the extreme response. I'm going to give them all a bit to settle after eating and then put them back in their vivs without handling them, simply setting the containers in. The males, on the other hand, have no desire to eat from the looks of it. I'll give them awhile and if no luck then I'll just put them in their vivs for now and try again tomorrow or the next day. They have been pretty active so I'm sure it's just the adjustment.

 

[carnivorouszoo]

That could just be her personality. My 2010 Amel mot het Caramel stripe female strikes like crazy is I am as little as one day late with food lol. I have bitten by an adult jungle corn so even as adults their bites don't hurt, ok? Attack of the velcro and paper cuts lol.