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What (in your opinion) would fit best into my breeding program?

Cornsnake124

Cornsnake124

Country boy gone wild
Ok.... I have a 5 year old female snow 50% poss. het charcoal and sire was a bubblegum snow, a 3 year old male normal het amel, and an 09 amel male that I plan to breed two years from now. I am thinking about buying a new female at the up coming reptile show here, and I want to know what would be a good type in your opinion to fit into my program to get a better price, better looking snakes in there but the female won't cost me 200$....

Thanks for the input in advance........................................
 
So these are the corns you currently have:

0.1 Snow 50% poss. het. Charcoal (from bubblegum father?)
1.0 Normal het. Amel
1.0 Amel

Do the Amel male have any known or possible hets?

If you breed the Snow female to the Normal het. Amel male, you'll get two kind of babies:
Normal het. Amel, Anery
Amel het. Anery

If you breed the Snow female to the Amel male and if he doesn't have any known hets, you'll get only one kind of babies:
Amel het. Anery

IF the Amel male happens to be het. Anery, then you'll also get Snow babies.

With these males and with these hets (assuming there aren't more than what you already know) you won't be able to get anything but Normals, Amels and Ultramels (Ultramels if you breed them to Ultra- or Ultramel based morph).

First of all I'd breed the Snow female to the Amel male just to test whether he's het. Anery or not. If he's not you won't get much anything interesting out of him. If he on the other hand IS het. Anery then I'd suggest you get an Ultramel Anery female. With the Ultramel Anery x Amel het. Anery pairing you'd be able to get:
Amels het. Anery
Ultramels het. Anery
Snows
Ultramel Anerys

I think that's the best shot you have there with these males.
 
now those are some thinkers..... The amel is from the pairing of the snow and the 06 normal. i want to know if there is any way i can kinda spice it up.... here are the links to the ACR page for the female's parents:

The normal male does not have registered parents though..

What can I do to maybe throw in a moltey or stripe gene or something of that sort to maybe get some cool morphs........... I dont know....


I don't know anyone in my area with a charcoal to get a breeding loan from.
 
Anery and hypo are common hets to pop up. I'd suggest getting a ghost motley (or stripe) female to test out possible hets for the amel boys. Even if the boys are not het for anything else, breeding the hatchings together will produce a variety of morphs.
I agree on testing the female for charcoal. A pewter or phantom would be good choices. As before, even if nothing popped up you could still get a nice variety from breeding the hatchlings back to each other.
 
I have a few '09 females het charcoal that'll be up for sale once they start feeding. Female snows, anery, and amels all het charcoal motley 50% poss het hypo.
 
I agree with the posts above. I would go blizzard or pewter. I would lean pewter just because I love bloodred animals.
 
i am thinking about maybe going with a mix of blizzard and pewter!! since pewter has charcoal blood, if bred to an amel it should create something like a blizzard, because charcoal X amel=blizzards.
 
ok, this just got a lot harder.... I now have some more hatchlings. They are
1.1 amels het motley, stripe and possible het caramel and anery.

1.2 Aneries het motley, stripe, hypo and possible het caramel

so, NOW what do you guys think?
 
You have a bunch of common morphs as it is what do you like is the important question and what do you want to make? I would breed your new amels ph caramel and anery when they are old enough to the anery hatchlings, but I'm not sure they can be het motley and stripe since motley and stripe are on the same locus. I may be wrong though on that.
 
Cornsnake124 said:
amels het motley, stripe
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danielle said:
but I'm not sure they can be het motley and stripe since motley and stripe are on the same locus.
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You're pseudo-right/pseudo-wrong.

Heterozygous basically means different allele...and if it carries both motley and stripe that technically means it is heterozygous for motley and stripe (it has 2 different alleles, a motley and a stripe)

What you can't have is an animal that is homozygous for both. Also if an animal is homozygous for one, it can't be het for the other.

It's usually written as motley het stripe, but basically means the same thing to explain something that can be confusing.

There usually, though, is some form of outward appearance of the motley/stripe trait when an animal is het motley and stripe (motley het stripe...I think it's written this way because motley is dominant over stripe, so the motley pattern is typically seen)
 
I think in this case only one of the parents is a motley X stripe (het for both) but if you breed it to a snake that is not motley or stripe, it can only pass on one of them, so the offspring would be correctly labeled as het motley OR stripe - because they are both at the same locus and only one of them would be passed down. I really suck at explaining this, where is Susan when you need her.
 
Oh and to answer the original question, I really think if you want to get serious and stay in the hobby for the long term you either need to specialize in a morph that you love and try to produce the best example you can of them, or try to get some higher end stuff that will be more in demand. A lot of people out there making amels, snows, etc. Yours need to be outstanding (Poppycorns' snows or Carols's miamis comes to mind) or kind of hard to get and rare, it can take time to build your collection but if you love the hobby and stick with it you can always trade and find the ocassional steal deals. Hets are great way to go too. Unless you are rich enough to go buy all the high end stuff right away...
 
Cornsnake124 said:
ok, this just got a lot harder.... I now have some more hatchlings. They are
1.1 amels het motley, stripe and possible het caramel and anery.

1.2 Aneries het motley, stripe, hypo and possible het caramel

so, NOW what do you guys think?
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You have a nice group there and some very nice possibilities in the offspring! I am sticking to my original suggestion and recommend that you get something that is homozygous or at least het charcoal to test out your one snake, but this group would work with itself as well as your other snakes.

I would initially pair the amels together, one pair of anerys and then the amel male with the other anery female. The following year, mix things up depending upon the outcome of the first pairings.

The way the genes are listed, I would assume that each snake is motley in appearance but carries one stripe gene with the one motley gene. That is what would be meant by saying a corn snake is het motley and stripe. Now if this group actually has a normal pattern, then they are either het motley OR stripe, they can't be both. If bred together, you may get stripe offspring or motley offspring, but you won't know exactly if the motley babies are homozygous motley or "motley het stripe" without further pairings or test breedings.
 
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