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Who hates PETA?

Oddly enough the only shelters that could keep up with the demand would be those run by PETA. I still find it questionable though.
 
Now, is there anyone out there who supports PETA or is this a unanimous thing? I can't speak for the others but I won't attack you, just your faith in PETA. I'd be interested to hear any supporting arguments for them.
 
I HATE HATE HATE PETA.

I am an animal lover and am really outspoken when it comes to uneccessary cruelty. Ask anyone how I feel about live feeding (when the snake will easily eat thawed). Ask anyone on here how I feel about cruel utube videos. Heck, ask anyone how I feel about co habbing snakes. (Those topics really bring out the ugly in me, I'm afraid).

I think things such as this portray our hobby in a negitive light, and give the PETAcreeps ammo to use against us.
I also think that every animal deserves to die as painlessly as possible, even a lowly feeder. We have the choice whether or not to be monsters.....
 
I wouldn't be too sure about the dog food thing, it wouldn't really surprise me. They were/are doing that with some cows, that's partly how mad cow disease got spread so widely.
 
The cultural impact PETA has made bothers me. There is so much misinformation regarding animal rights, animal welfare and pet keeping that the average person I talk to seems to group all people who love or work with animals into one category beside PETA supporters. Whenever I reveal to someone that I keep animals or that I care about animal welfare, an assumption is automatically made about me. All I had to do was tell two new co-workers that I care about my cats and they refused to share their fishing stories around me because I am "an animal person" and I might get "sensitive" about it. They can watch me eat a burger in front of them, but I am still apparently part of some PETA-supporting class of people as long as I express any concern for the welfare of animals whatsoever. As an organization with a lot of power in the media, PETA has given rational people who care about animals an undeserved reputation.
 
kathylove said:
1) According to government documents, PETA employees have killed more than 19,200 dogs, cats, puppies, and kittens since 1998. This behavior continues despite PETA’s moralizing about the “unethical” treatment of animals by farmers, scientists, restaurant owners, circuses, hunters, fishermen, zookeepers, and countless other Americans. PETA puts to death over 90 percent of the animals it accepts from members of the public who expect the group to make a reasonable attempt to find them adoptive homes. PETA holds absolutely no open-adoption shelter hours at its Norfolk, VA headquarters, choosing instead to spend part of its $32 million annual income on a contract with a crematory service to periodically empty hundreds of animal bodies from its large walk-in freezer. (bold and italics are mine)

That does not sound like they are "treating animals with respect and dignity and preventing unnecessary cruelty to them.". But they do sound VERY hypocritical to me. I find it impossible to believe that more than 90% of the rescues are unadoptable. But they wouldn't know, since they don't have any open hours. Nothing admirable at all, in my opinion.
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Raw numbers are meaningless. How many of those animals were beyond rescuing? How many were abused and not adoptable? Unfortunately it costs money to keep, feed, get vet care, etc to animals. I imagine that the majority of animals they're taking in are probably in pretty terrible condition or else they wouldn't need rescuing in the first place.

I know that for a while one of our local "no-kill" shelters wasn't taking any more animals. They couldn't afford to take on any more. Donations are down because of the economy, but unfortunately the demand for rescuing animals isn't.

No offense to anyone here who this applies to, but its stuff just like this that I can't stand people who buy cats and dogs when there are so many who need homes.
 
Question for you, or anyone really, is there a defined difference between animal rights and animals welfare? If so, are you a "rights-y" or a "welfare-y"?

I think with me, I'm more of a welfare-y person. I believe animals have the right to live a safe and comfortable life without abuse, just like we do. But I also feel that we are responsible for the welfare of every animal. While, it is not our right to rescue the zebra from the lion, I think it is our responsibility to make sure that zebra is there for the lion to eat. It's our responsibility to care for the animals caught in the oil disaster, but it's not our right to remove every animal in an area that might have an oil disaster to protect them from the possibility.

I don't know if the difference in my thinking is clear, but I hope it is. I think we are responsible solely for the care and health of CB animals or animals that are brought into our world of cages, tanks, boxes, etc. I don't think we are as responsible for all the animals outside of this except for doing what we can to make sure their environment is healthy and able to sustain the animals.
 
Hate PETA sorry my friend- have you done your research BEFORE asking the question? There is evidence dating back more than 20 years showing exactly why the majority of members on this site feel this way. They paint a pretty picture, but the bottom line is it's all a lie to funnel money into their own pockets in the name of animals they believe no one should even own. Do you own a snake? Don't tell your PETA friends:)
 
pridecity said:
Question for you, or anyone really, is there a defined difference between animal rights and animals welfare? If so, are you a "rights-y" or a "welfare-y"?
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Your thinking makes sense to me. I am very much on the welfare side of the spectrum. Our idea of rights is intimately connected with our system of law and government. An animal cannot participate in human society on that level. Also intrinsic to rights are responsibilities; we do not hold animals responsible for their actions, and as we have a right to keep animals we in turn have a responsibility for the welfare of animals kept.

Someone on the board (I think it was Emily1188?) in another thread made a fantastic example of the difference between animal rights and animal welfare, being that my pets do not have a right to choose what they eat because they are not responsible for themselves under my care. I am responsible for their health and for paying the vet bills. If my cats had the right to choose their own food they would subsist on fake plants, bugs, table scraps and plastic bags. That would be very poor welfare.
 
I love PETA, especially when they do things like scream, charge and wave signs at the NYC carriage horses to spook them and then talk to the press about how the animals are tortured. PETA and PETA supporters are the ones doing the torturing.

I can't tell you how many time's I've had to try to explain to thick headed PETA supporters that if my 1000 pound horse didn't like being ridden, I wouldn't be on his back, or that husky/shepherd crosses don't get frostbite in New York City.

There is a huge difference between "animal rights" and "animal welfare." The PETA wack jobs claim to be on the animals side, and yet they advocate for release programs for domesticated horses and act as a terrorist organization to "set free" captively bred lab and fur farm animals who don't have a chance in hell of surviving in the wild. They advocate for vegetarianism, for the boycott of the beef and poultry industries. They don't care if the animals are free range and grass fed, they would rather burn them than let someone enjoy them as dinner. It is all so hypocritical and it makes me so mad.

I am all for animal welfare, for taking responsibility for providing my pets with the best possible conditions and nutrition I can, and I encourage people to buy only free range meat and eggs, because not only do they taste better, but the animal had a better quality of life. But I do not now, or will I ever support animal rights in the radical way that PETA does. Their public image anthropomorphizes the cute little bunny or the sad abused puppy so that people will give them money that they use to wipe their butts with. They are not doing anything in the interest of the animals, they are on a crazy crusade to destroy 3000+ years of symbiotic relationships between humans and animals.

I can show you a million studies that say that having pets is good for your health and lowers cortisol levels. I can show you comparable studies that say that being around people decreases the presence of stress hormones in domesticated animals. Therefore pets are good if they are treated properly. Why people continue to argue with science is beyond me.

PETA:madeuce:

/end rant
 
True story-
I lived in Alaska for three years and my school required a minimum number of community service hours. My friends and I volunteered at the local cat rescue. It was privately owned and funded. At this time some organization, probably PETA, advocated for the banning of the dogsled races. Now I was just twelve years old and I answered the phone one day to a bomb threat. I asked the person on the line why he hated cats so much. He told me he hated us for trying to stop the dog sports. I asked him why he thought it was right to kill a girl over dogs and he hung up on me. When I spoke to the woman in charge she said that they've gotten those calls all day.

In response to the question "Do you hate PETA?" I have no logical answer as I had my own life threatened by PETA haters. I didn't think someone would just kill me, but I thought someone might set fire to the shelter.
 
Tara80 said:
Pike Place Market here in Seattle is known for their fresh fish catch every day and is also known for the 'fish toss', where the workers toss the fish in the air to each other as they are selecting and wrapping them.
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Off topic, but...

At 2 different places I worked we had to watch some employee motivation video that revolved around this Pike Place fish market.

It was the "FISH" philosphy, or something like that. I forget what FISH stood for.
 
ZoologyGirl said:
Off topic, but...

At 2 different places I worked we had to watch some employee motivation video that revolved around this Pike Place fish market.

It was the "FISH" philosphy, or something like that. I forget what FISH stood for.
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F*&kIng Stupid Hippies? No offense to any non PETA hippies.
 
I just wish there was a reasonable animal group that received just as much media attention. Maybe then the general population would take animal care and welfare more seriously instead of just being horrified for a few hours. But people pay more attention to dramatic situations I guess. At this point, zoos and aquariums are our best conservation and animal care promotional resource, and IMHO, most do a great job at it.
ZoologyGirl said:
At 2 different places I worked we had to watch some employee motivation video that revolved around this Pike Place fish market. It was the "FISH" philosphy, or something like that. I forget what FISH stood for.
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I had to watch that too for a volunteer position. Very cheezy, but appropriate because it was for an aquarium. I think it was about team work.

Jessicat said:
I've heard horror stories from Ocean Spray employees that make me never want to drink Cranberry Juice again, for instance.
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Um yes, so I drink lots of ocean spray cranberry juice. Please do share if you don't mind through a PM.
 
I tend to dislike any organization dedicated to enforcing their view on things on everyone.
Think what you will, but why must it effect everyone else?
 
PETA? I'm all for PETA......People Eating Tasty Animals

Seriously though....I despise any activist group that behaves in the manner that PETA does, like ELF (Earth Liberation Front).

Working in 911, we've had some incidents that involve these groups. They've let hundreds & hundreds of mink loose (any of them that did not get recaptured, died from either being run over by cars, eaten by various animals, & starving...having been raised captive, they do not know how to fend for themselves). We've had several new homes burned down, as protest to cutting down trees to build the houses. These activists are nut jobs & are not thinking rationally.

Blue Apple Herps said:
I don't hate them. They have a good message about treating animals with respect and dignity and preventing unnecessary cruelty to them.

That being said, that message and goal has definitely been perverted and been overrun by a more radical agenda. So in that regard they're failing. And until they take a more pragmatic view on some things and purge the radical elements, then they will come off as a radical group; which to a certain extent they've become.

But I see nothing hypocritical about humanely euthanizing animals they've rescued. Unfortunately many of these animals are so abused that they can't be adopted out. So they have to be put down. In a lot cases I think that is probably better than being left in the conditions they were previously being kept in.
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They don't want animals to be domesticated. They'd rather see them dead, than "owned" by us. Do you know how much impact there would be if PETA had their way?
No more service pets. No more Police K9's. No more pets, for anyone. Everyone would have to be vegetarian. Any product that had any part of any animal would not exist.

Granted, I do not agree with how the big beef producers, chicken & egg producers, etc., treat the animals. It's disgusting how living creatures are treated, to make money.
That is why I support local farmers, free range raised, organic meats.

pridecity said:
Hey.. Jessiecat... could you PM me some of those horror stories? I drink a lot of cranberry juice and now you have me slightly worried...

Back on subject, is it PETA who does all those undercover videos to show how this company or that company abuses animals? I remember when I was 12 or so, I saw an undercover video about IAMS where it showed they cut out the meat on a bunch of dogs' hind legs, the thigh I guess, and put it in the dog food. I've never bought IAMS since, even though I know it's highly unlikely that the video was true. Was that a PETA video?
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You would be surprised at how many pet food companies use euthanized pets, sick & diseased livestock & such, in pet food. Any pet food that is not made with human grade meats, it's not human grade for a reason. The majority of kibble out there is crap. Some pet food compaines outsource their meats, getting the meat from China, or France, to make production cheaper.
 
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