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Who hates PETA?

Ah..PETA. How I loathe thee.

I help my parents raise meat goats. They're taken care of to the point of being fairly spoiled. Just the other day, mom and I put a goat outside that had spent about a week in the house because she was sick. That goat hasn't been the first to come inside, and she won't be the last (every kidding season there's at least three or for kids that come inside for bottle feeding. This year it there was 8 kids that got brought in).

If I mention that I own goats, a lot of people will fawn over them and want to see pictures. However, if I dare mention that they're meat goats, I'm instantly a horrible person that abuses my animals and hovers over the animals waiting to kill them. I've had a couple people online who've made threats against me. I.e "How'd you like it if I shot you in the head (insert large amounts of question and exclamation marks here)".

It gets old. I still wonder how 24/7 water/shelter, 30 acres of knee deep grass, free choice hay in winter, and humans that'll drag goats into the house is abusive. Oh well.
 
I've always placed PETA in the same catagory as the Westboro Baptist Church people, Al Qaeda, Nazis, KKK, Mel Gibson....

They should basically all be hung from their wrists... and shot. Not shot in the head mind you, that'd be too humane. Pick a knee or elbow, shot them, let it bleed out... I could keep going with this, my hatred for wack jobs knows no bounds...

I have Jehovah's Witness and (normal) Baptist people walking my neighbor everyday, and I'd rather sit with one of them for the entire weekend, then listen to some of the crap the above mentioned wack jobs spout, for even 5 seconds.
 
"However, if I dare mention that they're meat goats, I'm instantly a horrible person that abuses my animals and hovers over the animals waiting to kill them."

I think most long time snake keepers have gotten the same type of feedback about feeding mice (doesn't even matter whether you feed live or f/t) from the non herp keeping public over the years.

I found I could have a little fun with that emotional, illogical attitude. When somebody says something about the poor mice, I always say, with great sympathy (no sarcasm!), "Oh, I'm sorry - you must be a vegetarian". On the very rare occasions that they say "yes", then I say "Well, at least you practice what you preach - great!" But 9 times out of 10, they answer "no".

Gotcha - the fun begins! Me: "I hope you don't eat cows - they have such big, brown, soft eyes, and they are so peaceful. You DON'T eat beef, do you?" (in a very sad voice, of course - have some fun!). When they answer "yes", it is really important to keep your voice really sad, without any sarcasm, for maximum effect. "Wow - that is so sad! I just don't know how you could eat such beautiful animals! Did you know they are considered sacred in India?" No laughing (at least outwardly!) Either you will get these emotional people thinking logically for a few minutes, or you might turn them into vegetarians so they really can practice what they preach. But at least you will turn the tables on what has been one sided attack at your expense, and you can have a little fun with it. Should work with the meat goat lovers, too. Just figure out the lines that will work the best, and start using them every time until you don't even have to think about your standard response.

I really get sick of people who refuse to let logic enter their minds when they get emotional about a subject. I am emotional about this whole subject, too. But I am willing to listen to, and consider, reasonable ideas contrary to my presently held beliefs about the subject.
 
I just had to comment on this. As a snake owner and a youtuber I like to watch the snake videos. Not all of them are feeding ones and even a lot of the feedings ones are of feeding already dead feeders. But it doesn't matter there are always the people who rant and rave about the poor mouse or poor bunny in the case of larger snakes. Then they go on to say that they want to come to your house and kill you and all of your snakes. Ok if you are supposed to be protecting animals, how is it right to save the mouse but kill the snake? The snake is an animal too!

Then there are the ones who say you should feed the snake something else (not meat). It isn't possible and if I did my snake would die. So how is that good for the animal?

My own personal experience with a PITA person or someone like that:
I was at the pet store buying FROZEN mice to feed my snake. A girl around my age (24 or so) came up to me and asked nicely what I was going to do with those mice. I said they were for my snakes. Then that nice attitude got replaced real quick and she said to me that I was going to go to hell and that my snakes should all have their heads cut off! I didn't wait to see if she had more to say. I just walked off without another word.
 
WingedSweetheart said:
My own personal experience with a PITA person or someone like that:
I was at the pet store buying FROZEN mice to feed my snake. A girl around my age (24 or so) came up to me and asked nicely what I was going to do with those mice. I said they were for my snakes. Then that nice attitude got replaced real quick and she said to me that I was going to go to hell and that my snakes should all have their heads cut off! I didn't wait to see if she had more to say. I just walked off without another word.
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This really made me laugh...I mean, the mice are already dead and frozen....what could you do with dead frozen mice that WOULDN'T have thrown her into a rant like that? Turn them into frankenmice so they're alive again? Stupid people...
 
I try not to get too upset at other people like that. Because if you think about it they are only making fools of themselves. I find it funny how dumb some people can be.
 
I agree with PETA's stance on taking excellent care of animals, but that's where my agreement ends. Ingrid Newkirk is a crazy woman.

I was looking on craigslist and someone had posted something about people taking free rats/kittens/puppies and feeding them to their large snakes. This person had been flagged, and was furious about it, claiming that it must have been a snake person and that they hate snakes and snake people. Some people just confuse me. I'm sure if I were to meet them and never told them I had snakes, they wouldn't hate me. I mean, I really dislike rodents and rabbits, but I'm not going to hate people that have pet rodents/rabbits.

Snakes are animals too! People that love cats and dogs are in the same category as snake people. They own predators. Sure their food may come in "presentable" little kibbles, but there is animal in it. I guess watching a snake swallow a rodent/chick/rabbit whole is not something many people can handle.
 
PETA is against pet ownership so anyone that owns pets and isn't against PETA is either a hypocrite or doesn't understand PETA. They play down that aspect of their goals, but they want domesticated animals to go extinct. They pull in pet owners because they are animal lovers, but claim there is no such thing as responsible breeders which would obviously mean that if they got their way this second this would be the last generation of any pet.

They also advocate vegetarian/vegan diets for dogs and cats, which would kill cats. Of course on their page about it they focus mostly on dogs because even they can't find anything to back up denying cats meat, but they still roll it in with dogs. http://www.helpinganimals.com/animalsHome_gi_vegAnimals.asp

"Cats are often more finicky than dogs..." Ha, didn't know that being an obligate carnivore just meant you were finicky!
 
I haven't even finished the thrid paragraph of that article and seen that is said, "The nutritional needs of dogs and cats are easily met with a balanced vegan diet and certain supplements" and was like supplements? So they know that cats and dogs and most meat eating animals can not survive on a veggie diet without supplements which are man made so it is unnatural!
 
"Unnatural" is not always a bad word.
I mean eating thawed mice is not natural, but it is best for both animals involved.
Being kept in cages is not natural,but it sure beats being eaten by a hawk or hit by a car any day of the week.
Rabies and distemper shots are not natural, but are wonderful things....

However, when you take a body that is adapted to process a particular kind of food, and mess with that, that is beyond unnatural. And to try to convince others to do the same is lunacy, pure and simple.
 
I like Peta Wilson, does that count? :laugh:

But seriously, I am not a fan of PETA at all. I do not agree with "Animal Right's" at all. I am, on the other hand, for Animal Welfare.

Look up Temple Grandin to see Animal Welfare as it pertains to livestock, it is great reading.
 
I meant unnatural as in they think that cats and dogs can be vegetarians but then they go on to mention the supplements and the supplements are to replace what they would be missing by not giving them the meat in the first place. I still don't know if I explained what I was trying to say right or not.

Example: I mean you wouldn't just get all the supplements that your snake would get from a mouse and put it in pill form and then force feed it to your snake and then say, "See, even snakes don't need to eat meat!" When in fact they do or they wouldn't need those supplements.
 
WingedSweetheart said:
I meant unnatural as in they think that cats and dogs can be vegetarians but then they go on to mention the supplements and the supplements are to replace what they would be missing by not giving them the meat in the first place. I still don't know if I explained what I was trying to say right or not.

Example: I mean you wouldn't just get all the supplements that your snake would get from a mouse and put it in pill form and then force feed it to your snake and then say, "See, even snakes don't need to eat meat!" When in fact they do or they wouldn't need those supplements.
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Oh, I kind of knew what you meant. Just wanted to elaborate on it a little.
It's just that many people feed live because "it's natural", when in fact it can harm the snake, and puts the mouse through a more unpleasant death than need be. So, the argument I use is that natural is not always better...and then I go on to use the types of examples I just did to prove my point...make sense?
 
I'd say a quick constriction is better than getting ones head bashed into the corner of a bookshelf.
 
Ehh, I don't know that constriction is faster than bashing in the head...so long as its done right, the latter should be faster, possibly instantaneous, and perhaps less painful (I can't say for sure as I have experienced neither).
 
ZoologyGirl said:
I like Peta Wilson, does that count? :laugh:

But seriously, I am not a fan of PETA at all. I do not agree with "Animal Right's" at all. I am, on the other hand, for Animal Welfare.

Look up Temple Grandin to see Animal Welfare as it pertains to livestock, it is great reading.
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Temple Grandin is an amazing person. We learned about her in my Animal Behavior class last semester. She did amazing things for the livestock handling facilities.

Another thing is with horses. We brought them from open pasture to inside barns, feeding them meals instead of grazing almost constantly as they would in natural circumstances. Their stomachs create hydrochloric acid constantly to deal with the constant small meals they ingest. Granted, the food stuffs that horses get is "natural," but the means are not usually. What's so different feeding a snake a thawed mouse than feeding a horse small meals that consist of grain/soy/supplements/whatever else is in it?
 
I've fed live, I've used CO2, and I've done the bashing of the head. Live takes about 30 seconds. CO2 can take up to five minutes (I can't find dry ice so I have to use vinegar/ baking soda), and bashing is basically the worst method. It basically results in a twitching still alive animal that just has broken bones and not a broken neck. I've only managed to kill one instantly despite having their heads be the only thing that makes contact.
 
Raptor said:
I'd say a quick constriction is better than getting ones head bashed into the corner of a bookshelf.
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I think you would be wrong. Constriction involves pain and fear before unconsciousness. Plus most people use CO2. Either that or cervical dislocation.
 
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