Who knows what morph he is? New member and new corn snake :)

[SquidsGirl]

Hello

Just got a new little corn snake tonight.

Does anyone know what morph he is? I know they can changed in color a lot from hatchling to adult and am curious what he will look like down the road hopefully someone on here knows

Thank you!!

 

[CornsAustria]

this looks not like a corn or a pure cornsnake

 

[Shiari]

That is either a gopher snake or a bull snake, but it's definitely not a corn snake.

 

[Shiari]

Things to know: Gophers/bulls can grow to be quite a bit larger than corns and therefore need larger caging as adults as well. They can reach 7 feet long, and are heavier-bodied than a corn. They also like temperatures slightly warmer, with a hot spot around 87 to 90 degrees as compared to the 85 recommended for corns.

 

[SquidsGirl]

Geez umm ok ... how did the store not know what it was?? �� I got it from a “scales and tales” in las vegas �� So now im looking at pictures of other types of snakes online. Do you think its a gopher or possible a black rat snake? The black rats also look similar as hatchlings/juveniles ... ����

 

[Shiari]

Black rats don't look at all like your snake as babies. The color is completely different for one. This snake is 100% either a gopher snake or a bull snake, as they're very closely related.
Pet stores label the snakes they get as what they came in as. I bought a pinstripe motley corn snake labelled as an albino checkered garter snake, once.

 

[SquidsGirl]

Thank you so much Shiati! They said it was a “cinnamon corn snake” but i knew the morph was off but i didnt expect the species to be off!!

This is the page that shows baby black/eastern rats looking similar:

https://news.maryland.gov/dnr/2019/...eastern-ratsnake-pantherophis-alleghaniensis/

I will prolly keep him if its a gopher (they look awesome and seem to have good temperaments from the stuff ive been reading on them so far but i need to do a LOT more reading and study on then before i decide for sure) but wont want to keep him if its a black rat... i dont like how they look as adults! Lol

 

[SquidsGirl]

Shiari* sorry!! i dont know how to edit the above post

 

[Shiari]

No worries on the name thing. The baby on that page is still black and white though, whereas your kiddo is light brown, dark brown, and yellow.
These guys still make good pets.

 

[MysticExotics]

Your baby is definitely not a Corn or a Ratsnake.

Bull/Gopher/Pine snakes are all subspecies of Pituophis.

Here's a link on them: http://www.lihs.org/files/caresheets/Pituophis.htm

Great Basin Gopher Snakes are native to the western half of the US, including Nevada. I'm leaning towards yours being a Gopher.

 

[Frank Pinello]

Shearing and Mistic are 100% correct.
Not a corn snake at all.

 

[Frank Pinello]

Shiari....sorry damn spell check.

 

[Rich Z]

Thank you so much Shiati! They said it was a “cinnamon corn snake” but i knew the morph was off but i didnt expect the species to be off!!

This is the page that shows baby black/eastern rats looking similar:

https://news.maryland.gov/dnr/2019/...eastern-ratsnake-pantherophis-alleghaniensis/

I will prolly keep him if its a gopher (they look awesome and seem to have good temperaments from the stuff ive been reading on them so far but i need to do a LOT more reading and study on then before i decide for sure) but wont want to keep him if its a black rat... i dont like how they look as adults! Lol

No, DEFINITELY NOT a baby black rat snake. I have caught wild examples and hatched out enough of them when I lived in Maryland that I am quite familiar with them.

I've never kept bull or gopher snakes, but I have caught and hatched out baby northern pine snakes, which are the same genus (Pituophis) as the gophers and bulls, and the body build is quite similar. As for what species or subspecies, beats me. Maybe you should ask the place where you purchased it from to trace back their records to who it came from and see if you can get more info that way. I would think any place selling snakes would be willing to at least go that far to correct a glaring mistake like this.

As long as you are happy with what you got, I guess that is all that really matters.