Zimmerman trial

[Chip]

I don't know how trustworthy the Daily Caller is, but if this turns out to be true, head had better roll: http://dailycaller.com/2013/07/10/doj-provided-security-for-anti-zimmerman-protests/

 

[gsdbecca]

Actually, Martin did not have bruised knuckles. The only testimony I watched in whole was that of the ME. He said specifically several times that none of Zimmerman's blood was on Martin. And that the only injuries to Martin was the gunshot wound. That completely blows away Zimmerman's story. Not much of struggle if Martin sustained no other injuries than the gunshot. And you won't get me to believe that Martin punched him and suffered no injuries to his hands. That's why the autopsy report is so "interesting." Because it blows away Zimmerman's story. I don't care about any of the rest of the crap, and I'm biting my tongue in half to not respond to some of these comments. But those are the facts about the condition Martin was in.

 

[susang]

I read the autopsy and it did say Martin had a small scrape on is left hand. Once his heart stopped pumping swelling and such would stop.
I would like to see a reference to the fact that Zimmerman had none of Martins blood on him.

 

[gsdbecca]

Wow, I thought a simple google search would turn up lots of clips of the ME's testimony or articles about it. I'm shocked that it took quite a bit of searching. Odd.... Anyhow, I thought it was extremely compelling testimony. Here's an article that mentions that the ME found no blood on Martin's hands.
I'm telling ya, the dude was emphatic that the only "defect" was the gunshot wound. ....but now can't find diddly squat about the evidence just a bunch of crap about what momma said what. Frustrating.
http://www.actionnewsjax.com/news/s...ls-becoming-heart/iWvESENYb0KhXpXyw_5bIQ.cspx

 

[dave partington]

He had the Skittles and Arizona watermelon pop with him. He spoke about the ______ whatever it's called, I can't remember, on his social media account. I watched the trial from 9AM to 8PM today. I have watched every day since Rich posted the link. The defense is supposed to rest tomorrow.

Yeah, because honesty abounds and the truth is never stretched on social media accounts.
they talk good english too.

 

[dave partington]

I'm shocked and bewildered with the younger generation,
said everyone over 50, ever

If nobody was ever allowed to mess up, nobody would ever learn anything

 

[Nanci]

Wow, I thought a simple google search would turn up lots of clips of the ME's testimony or articles about it. I'm shocked that it took quite a bit of searching. Odd.... Anyhow, I thought it was extremely compelling testimony. Here's an article that mentions that the ME found no blood on Martin's hands.
I'm telling ya, the dude was emphatic that the only "defect" was the gunshot wound. ....but now can't find diddly squat about the evidence just a bunch of crap about what momma said what. Frustrating.
http://www.actionnewsjax.com/news/s...ls-becoming-heart/iWvESENYb0KhXpXyw_5bIQ.cspx

So you think ALL the witnesses are lying. Because that's the alternative. On the video reconstruction thing, which the defense will be allowed to show on their closing statement, you can see that they were RIGHT OUTSIDE the witness's patio door. When I heard he saw the fight from a window, I imagined a second story window, and he saw them at a distance. No. They were right in front of him, looking through a patio door.

Even TM's dad initially told police that was not his son yelling help for 40 seconds, but then changed his story during the trial, to "I'm not sure."

But- it DOESN'T MATTER. Unless GZ stalked him down and murdered him in cold blood (in which case, why would he direct the police to the scene???), he has the right to use lethal force if he is in fear for his life.

 

[Becca58]

Wow, I thought a simple google search would turn up lots of clips of the ME's testimony or articles about it. I'm shocked that it took quite a bit of searching. Odd.... Anyhow, I thought it was extremely compelling testimony. Here's an article that mentions that the ME found no blood on Martin's hands.
I'm telling ya, the dude was emphatic that the only "defect" was the gunshot wound. ....but now can't find diddly squat about the evidence just a bunch of crap about what momma said what. Frustrating.
http://www.actionnewsjax.com/news/s...ls-becoming-heart/iWvESENYb0KhXpXyw_5bIQ.cspx

I found the ME's testimony:

http://youtu.be/sg0Tlyswcm4?t=22m13s

 

[Nanci]

Do you think it's "fair" that the jury won't get to see TM's text messages, bragging about how he knows how to sucker punch a person in the nose and disable them? Bragging about his fighting prowess?

 

[Nanci]

I mean, does it make people who are on TM's "side" feel good if ALL the facts are not presented, and he "wins" just because the jury is prevented from hearing/seeing things? Don't you want the jury to decide GZ's fate by following the law? To convict him of second degree murder, the prosecution needs to prove BEYOND REASONABLE DOUBT that GZ killed TM, without any premeditated design, by an act imminently dangerous to another and evincing a depraved mind showing no regard for human life.

Do you believe that is the TRUTH?

 

[Becca58]

But Nanci, I'm looking at the evidence. I've read the autopsy report that shows no injuries to Trayvon beyond the bullet hole and one scrape smaller than a fingernail. I've heard the ME say that there wasn't any of George's DNA on Trayvon.

I've looked at the pictures of GZ's head and face. I've heard the witnesses say they saw a fight. But I also know that eyewitness accounts are often wrong: either people lie or they don't recall specific details, and they don't want to look stupid in the eyes of the questioner.

Now, if there were video of the altercation, I'd be watching that. If there were pictures of GZ taken by the police that night, I'd weigh that.

I'm not saying my mind is made up. I am saying that I'm simply trying to follow the evidence.

 

[Nanci]

I would like to think ALL those people aren't taking lying under oath lightly. I don't think they would ALL do it.

 

[Nanci]

How did GZ's nose get broken, then, and pushed over out of the midline?

 

[Nanci]

I've heard the ME say that there wasn't any of George's DNA on Trayvon.

This is the DNA evidence:

The DNA on the slide of the gun, which was NOT GZ, could NOT be ruled out as TM.

The DNA on the holster, which was NOT GZ, could NOT be ruled out as TM.

Blood on TM's shirt was GZ's DNA.

DNA on TM's sleeve could NOT be ruled out as GZ.

No DNA on TM's hoodie that was inconsistent with TM.

 

[Nanci]

The medical examiner, Bao, states TM had aberrations on his left 5th and 4th finger. 51:56 in your video.

It is theorized that GZ's nose was struck and broken by TM's left hand. So he cold-cocked him with one blow, knocking him to the ground, and then- no one knows. GZ testifies his head was bashed repeatedly against the pavement. Wounds to his scalp support that. (I heard someone say yesterday, how many times have you hit your head, in your lifetime? How many times has it bled? My answer would be - lots. Tons of times. I got a scalp wound ONCE, when I jumped up on a kitchen counter and hit my head on the corner of a cupboard). GZ testified that he was losing consciousness. He was afraid he would lose consciousness and be beaten to death. He screamed for help for 40 seconds. Do you know how LONG that is? No one would come help. They were all afraid.

 

[Nanci]

John Good's testimony about the beating he saw:

 

[Rich Z]

Seems to me that this is very simple. There were only two people involved. Zimmerman and Martin. Who has been proven via images taken that night to have suffered damages consistent with a violent beating? Who would have likely been in fear for their life as the recipient of that beating? I've heard testimony that the damages were not that severe. Really? If YOU were having your head being banged against the sidewalk, you are going to intuitively KNOW that you will be OK, this isn't so bad, and the attacker is going to stop of his own volition any moment now? Yeah, he's going to stop, get up off of me, and be on his way. Surely he's beaten me enough now? Heck, I wonder how many people have died with that last thought in their mind?

The prosecution has to prove their case "beyond a shadow of a doubt". All the jury needs to decide is whether or not the prosecution was successful.

Heck, the prosecution's STAR witness, Rachel Jeantel, is completely unbelievable and was actually PROVEN to have lied under oath. That was the BEST they could come up with?

The prosecution has not made it's case. Not even close. They didn't even produce one verifiable FACT as evidence of intentional wrong doing on the part of Zimmerman that would prove him guilty.

In my opinion, yes, there are some things that aren't completely explained, but no, the prosecution has not PROVEN an illegal MURDER has taken place. If the jury is honest and not overly motivated by the fear of their decision causing a riot among a certain subset of the racial motivated public, they have no choice but to acquit Zimmerman.

This has been a media circus from day one. The media posted pictures of a 12 year old Martin instead of TRUTHFUL images. They helped fan the flames and created this racially charged atmosphere. If Zimmerman is acquitted and there is a riot, then the media needs to be held accountable for any damages that result.

 

[Nanci]

Oh now they are going to allow the jury to be instructed that they can find him guilty of Second Degree Murder, or Manslaughter. The prosecution has _asked_ for Felony Third Degree Murder/Child Abuse.

The judge has told defense (paraphrase) if I'm wrong, you can appeal.

 

[Nanci]

This has been a media circus from day one. The media posted pictures of a 12 year old Martin instead of TRUTHFUL images. They helped fan the flames and created this racially charged atmosphere. If Zimmerman is acquitted and there is a riot, then the media needs to be held accountable for any damages that result.

This case has been "racialized" by the media from day one. The neighborhood in which the incident occurred was a multi-racial community the members of which all lived together peacefully, who banded together after a neighbor had her home broken into, while she was home alone with her baby.

 

[Rich Z]

Been watching bits and pieces of the trial via YouTube over the last couple of days. I'm thinking maybe Zimmerman made an image mistake gaining all that weight that he did. He now looks kind of burly looking now, compared to Martin, and that just might play against him.

Personally, I can't see how the FACTS presented at the trial can convict him, "beyond a shadow of a doubt", but if anything, juries are unpredictable.