i need some advice help :(

[Teddy Roosevelt]

You aren't questioning, you're saying "Ok" and then doing what you were going to do regardless, and that's understandably frustrating. You will not be able to feed your boy adult mice for quite some time, so please stop thinking in terms of when to put him back on mice. As others mentioned, for now he gets a half-pink. If he keeps that down, wait a week, then give him... DA DA DA DA! ANOTHER half-pink, etc etc until he's had... ehh, lets say 7 or 8 successive feedings on the half pink. THEN move up to... A full pink! And if he regurges that, wait 10 days and drop back down to the half pink. If he doesn't, keep him on it for several feedings (say 5 or 6), then move him up to small fuzzies, etc etc. Your snake will not die from not getting much food; they're obviously known for their ability to go a while without it, and having small meals he can keep down will make him much healthier than forcing huge meals he can't digest down his throat. Just be patient with him, and in a couple of years he'll probably be the same size as any other adult male.

 

[Hallie]

I thought you might benefit from a step by step explanation of what someone else (in this case, me) would do if they owned this snake. I know it would have helped me were I in your shoes. A few husbandry notes first: I would switch to paper towels as substrate. It is easier to spot another regurge and to spot poo (which you want to make sure is normal looking throughout this process). Also, make sure the temps are in the correct range (74-78 on the cool side and 82-84 on the warm side would be sufficient) and that he has plenty, if not a few extra, hides to keep him as stress free as possible. Finally, as much as I know you probably want to handle your snake, leave him be, other than for cage cleaning, until he's gone a few months with no more regurges. If at any point during this process, he regurges again, you will need to start from the beginning again.

1. From the day of the regurge, wait 10 days before offering food again. During this time, add NutriBac to the water. I generally pull the water for 2-3 days to ensure that the snake will drink the altered water when it is offered. I make sure to watch the snake drink (I 'show' him/her the water bowl when placing it in the cage, they generally drink right away) and leave the water in for 1-2 days before repeating the cycle of withholding and offering NutriBac water. Keep in mind that the snake should be handled as little as possible during this time.

2. 10 days after the regurge, offer the snake a pinky head. You can save the body for future feedings. Repeat the pinky head feeding for 3-4 feedings (once a week) before increasing the meal size.

3. Increase meal size to the pinky bodies that you fed the heads off of before. Again, once a week for 3-4 feedings. All meals should be dusted with Nutribac at this point, and from here on out for at least 6 months. If the snake is okay with eating the NutriBac dusted meals, then adding NutriBac to the water can be discontinued (and water then left with the snake at all times, of course).

4. For the next 4-5 feedings, feed small pinkies, once a week. The pinkies should be slit along the back two or three times to help with digestion.

5. If the snake has kept down all meals prior to this point (about 12-14 weeks after the regurge), the meal size can be increased to a large pinkie. Feed the large pinkies for another month, with meals once a week.

6. At this point, if you'd like to increase feeding frequency to once every 5 days, and the snake has not had a repeat regurge, I would feel comfortable doing so. Keep the size of the meal at large pinkies, every 5 days, for another 4-6 weeks. Remember to continue with NutriBac on the food and also slit the backs of the pinkies.

7. Now, the prey size can be increased to peach fuzzies or very small fuzzies, which is probably what he was eating prior to the regurge issues. Keep him at this size prey for at least 2 months before moving him up to prey that is 'normal' (1.5x the girth of the snake) for his size. Again, prey should be slit and dusted with NutriBac, which is a process that should continue for at least 6 months (9-12 months would be better) after the regurge.

I hope this helps.

Remember, you aren't trying to put weight back on this snake for at least 4 months after the regurge. I know I've mentioned it before, but just a reminder that I'm feeding my nearly 3 year old, 130 gram (was 165g and eating large weanling mice before he started refusing/regurging food) peach fuzzies, and will continue to do so for another month before bumping him up to normal size fuzzies. Bringing a snake back the right way from a regurge (especially multiple regurges) is a very slow process.

 

[LBoz]

You aren't questioning, you're saying "Ok" and then doing what you were going to do regardless, and that's understandably frustrating. You will not be able to feed your boy adult mice for quite some time, so please stop thinking in terms of when to put him back on mice. As others mentioned, for now he gets a half-pink. If he keeps that down, wait a week, then give him... DA DA DA DA! ANOTHER half-pink, etc etc until he's had... ehh, lets say 7 or 8 successive feedings on the half pink. THEN move up to... A full pink! And if he regurges that, wait 10 days and drop back down to the half pink. If he doesn't, keep him on it for several feedings (say 5 or 6), then move him up to small fuzzies, etc etc. Your snake will not die from not getting much food; they're obviously known for their ability to go a while without it, and having small meals he can keep down will make him much healthier than forcing huge meals he can't digest down his throat. Just be patient with him, and in a couple of years he'll probably be the same size as any other adult male.

See, this is what I call borderline abusive (or at the very least, measurably offensive.) He's asking questions, he has a language barrier, and I (and this is just my opinon) would be ticked off by a ten day keeper smacking me around for asking questions. Nowhere in his posts did he say he was feeding "adult" mice. "Pinks" ARE mice.

I thought you might benefit from a step by step explanation of what someone else (in this case, me) would do if they owned this snake. I know it would have helped me were I in your shoes. A few husbandry notes first: I would switch to paper towels as substrate. It is easier to spot another regurge and to spot poo (which you want to make sure is normal looking throughout this process). Also, make sure the temps are in the correct range (74-78 on the cool side and 82-84 on the warm side would be sufficient) and that he has plenty, if not a few extra, hides to keep him as stress free as possible. Finally, as much as I know you probably want to handle your snake, leave him be, other than for cage cleaning, until he's gone a few months with no more regurges. If at any point during this process, he regurges again, you will need to start from the beginning again.

1. From the day of the regurge, wait 10 days before offering food again. During this time, add NutriBac to the water. I generally pull the water for 2-3 days to ensure that the snake will drink the altered water when it is offered. I make sure to watch the snake drink (I 'show' him/her the water bowl when placing it in the cage, they generally drink right away) and leave the water in for 1-2 days before repeating the cycle of withholding and offering NutriBac water. Keep in mind that the snake should be handled as little as possible during this time.

2. 10 days after the regurge, offer the snake a pinky head. You can save the body for future feedings. Repeat the pinky head feeding for 3-4 feedings (once a week) before increasing the meal size.

3. Increase meal size to the pinky bodies that you fed the heads off of before. Again, once a week for 3-4 feedings. All meals should be dusted with Nutribac at this point, and from here on out for at least 6 months. If the snake is okay with eating the NutriBac dusted meals, then adding NutriBac to the water can be discontinued (and water then left with the snake at all times, of course).

4. For the next 4-5 feedings, feed small pinkies, once a week. The pinkies should be slit along the back two or three times to help with digestion.

5. If the snake has kept down all meals prior to this point (about 12-14 weeks after the regurge), the meal size can be increased to a large pinkie. Feed the large pinkies for another month, with meals once a week.

6. At this point, if you'd like to increase feeding frequency to once every 5 days, and the snake has not had a repeat regurge, I would feel comfortable doing so. Keep the size of the meal at large pinkies, every 5 days, for another 4-6 weeks. Remember to continue with NutriBac on the food and also slit the backs of the pinkies.

7. Now, the prey size can be increased to peach fuzzies or very small fuzzies, which is probably what he was eating prior to the regurge issues.

I hope this helps.

Remember, you aren't trying to put weight back on this snake for at least 4 months after the regurge. I know I've mentioned it before, but just a reminder that I'm feeding my nearly 3 year old, 130 gram (was 165g and eating large weanling mice before he started refusing/regurging food) peach fuzzies, and will continue to do so for another month before bumping him up to normal size fuzzies. Bringing a snake back the right way from a regurge (especially multiple regurges) is a very slow process.

Now THIS is helpful and constructive. Hals, where were you last year when I needed you?

 

[Hallie]

Now THIS is helpful and constructive. Hals, where were you last year when I needed you?

Well, I try to stash away the curmudgeonly ways every so often and help out. I don't remember you having regurge issues...was it before I was 'around' (remember I only started posting in November last year even though I lurked for over two years)? I'm here for ya always now!!

 

[tricksterpup]

See, this is what I call borderline abusive (or at the very least, measurably offensive.) He's asking questions, he has a language barrier, and I (and this is just my opinon) would be ticked off by a ten day keeper smacking me around for asking questions, even though you like to post A LOT.



Now THIS is helpful and constructive. Hals, where were you last year when I needed you?

hey didnt i walk you though all that last year?

 

[LBoz]

hey didnt i walk you though all that last year?

Why yes, yes you did, and my healthy and happy rosy and I thank you for it!

 

[danielle]

I've been there too and Kathy Love and Nanci were beyond helpful with me. I took their advice and Jaxson the corn is happy and healthy. Growth is the last thing you need to worry about slow small meals for now is important.

 

[DarkSmoke]

You aren't questioning, you're saying "Ok" and then doing what you were going to do regardless, and that's understandably frustrating. You will not be able to feed your boy adult mice for quite some time, so please stop thinking in terms of when to put him back on mice. As others mentioned, for now he gets a half-pink. If he keeps that down, wait a week, then give him... DA DA DA DA! ANOTHER half-pink, etc etc until he's had... ehh, lets say 7 or 8 successive feedings on the half pink. THEN move up to... A full pink! And if he regurges that, wait 10 days and drop back down to the half pink. If he doesn't, keep him on it for several feedings (say 5 or 6), then move him up to small fuzzies, etc etc. Your snake will not die from not getting much food; they're obviously known for their ability to go a while without it, and having small meals he can keep down will make him much healthier than forcing huge meals he can't digest down his throat. Just be patient with him, and in a couple of years he'll probably be the same size as any other adult male.

no mate, im not doing anything regardless of what they say , im gonna do as everyone is saying, and i never fed my snake adult mice hes too small for that. thanks for the info

 

[DarkSmoke]

See, this is what I call borderline abusive (or at the very least, measurably offensive.) He's asking questions, he has a language barrier, and I (and this is just my opinon) would be ticked off by a ten day keeper smacking me around for asking questions. Nowhere in his posts did he say he was feeding "adult" mice. "Pinks" ARE mice.



Now THIS is helpful and constructive. Hals, where were you last year when I needed you?

now you see why i used to act arrogant..

 

[DarkSmoke]

im doing this as carefull as i can by combining everyone steps and ideas into the best way i can , but if another regurg happens, the snake will have a visit to the vet instead of starting the whole process again.

 

[Asbit]

Well DarkSmoke you and I can now work together to get our snakes through a regurge, one of the little ones I just got, regurged yesterday. It was only part of his meal and it was the 5th day after he ate it.

Good luck to your snake, it has a lot more body mass to pull it through than mine and I am not worried about waiting the 10 days and starting with a very tiny meal (1/3 the size he had before) and only feeding every 7 days after that. My snake weighs only 8 gms, that's 2 gms less than a partially used small white eraser. Just thought I would let you know that so you can feel better about feeding you snake such small meals.

 

[kathylove]

I just want to reinforce the fact that the other posters are entirely correct. Growth is the last thing you want to worry about now. That will be quite a while in the future, if your snake survives this ordeal. Your only concern now, and for the next 3 or 4 months, is to get him to eat, AND DIGEST, whatever size meal he can handle.

It is really difficult to be patient enough to do this ever so slowly - I know from my own experience, lol But if you are not patient enough, he is not likely to survive. So try to patiently follow the advice here, slowly but surely. If he gets, and stays, healthy, he will eventually grow to adult size, even if it takes him longer than some other corns his age. Survival is the only important issue at this time.

Good luck!

 

[DarkSmoke]

I just want to reinforce the fact that the other posters are entirely correct. Growth is the last thing you want to worry about now. That will be quite a while in the future, if your snake survives this ordeal. Your only concern now, and for the next 3 or 4 months, is to get him to eat, AND DIGEST, whatever size meal he can handle.

It is really difficult to be patient enough to do this ever so slowly - I know from my own experience, lol But if you are not patient enough, he is not likely to survive. So try to patiently follow the advice here, slowly but surely. If he gets, and stays, healthy, he will eventually grow to adult size, even if it takes him longer than some other corns his age. Survival is the only important issue at this time.

Good luck!

thanks alot! survival is my only current aim

 

[DarkSmoke]

i just fed him the smalles pinky i could buy today. he ate it quickly. well lets hope for the good, if he regurgs, i got a name of a vet that knows about snakes in malta, i will have to give him a call. but i hope it doesnt come to that.

 

[kathylove]

If he regurges, you will have to feed just a pinkie head, or go to tubing with eggs for a while, to build him back up. If he regurges again, I would highly suggest Nutri Bac, if you can get it. I would never discourage a visit to a REPTILE vet (one who has had experience with this exact problem), although I am not sure what they could do other than what has already been suggested.

Hope it works out ok.

 

[LBoz]

Since he regurged twice and it's only been seven days since his last regurg, I will be hoping for the best for the little guy. Try to keep him as undisturbed as possible. Don't startle him or even stick your face in his viv to check on him. If he regurges, trust me, you'll smell it across the room. Best of luck to you both.

 

[wstphal]

i just fed him the smalles pinky i could buy today. he ate it quickly. well lets hope for the good, if he regurgs, i got a name of a vet that knows about snakes in malta, i will have to give him a call. but i hope it doesnt come to that.

Super news! I suspect that being hungry after several regurgs is probably a good sign.

Stick with Kathy's advice. I've now read 2 of her books & the books are excellent.

 

[DarkSmoke]

well yeah im being as cautios as possible. im not even re arranging his hideouts, also tolled my g/f to stop doing things near his viv. well i'll keep the post updated, no regurgs so far.

 

[DarkSmoke]

ok tonight 48 hours will be passed, and tomorrow morning i'll check on if the bumb is gone (well it will be gone since it usually takes him only 48 hours to eat a mouse of his size) no regurgs so far as far as i can see but i will check around the viv well if there's no bumb in the snake. if i see a bumb in the snake then it means he's gona regurg cause thats what he always did when he regurged it regurged the whole mouse after 48hrs+

 

[LBoz]

Personally, I'd leave him alone even longer than you normally would. If there was a regurg, you'd smell it without having to root around his viv. Even if the bump is still there, there's nothing you can do about it. Give him some time and try not to worry.