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identification help on amber/ caramel

slave600

slave600

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ok picked up another amber corn for my projects next year and i am beyond stumped on a grab bag/ mixed lot of snakes i picked up. basically i have them all identified except a funny phase of ball python (mostly dark browns and black) and this corn/ rat/ hybrid snake??????? it is pictured w/ the cage mate... an amber male of about 4.5 years (he's the lighte of the 2)


any ideas??? it was supposed to be an amber and the previous owner was very certain it was a breeder from a friends corn morphs from a few years ago....

either way she is a very nice pet if she isnt to be used in my projects
 

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i'm guessing a wierd caramel, a baird's hybrid, or an odd phase of another hybrid w/ a corn of some locale i don't know of......

i was even told about some sulphur hybrid a guy at a show had that looked like it???????? help??..??
 
maybe an adult carmot

grabbed this from candachan's sale page.... its a yearling caramel motley
 

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Definitely not a caramel motley...too dark (they get much lighter and more yellow as they age) and it has a normal pattern. I looks like a hybrid that may or may not be homozygous caramel.

And please tell us that it is no longer housed with it's "cage mate" as cohabitation is not recommended.
 
thats for quarantine.... i qt all my new snakes for 30 days b4 they get their own 20 gallon! thanx for the info tho
 
it was previously housed w/ this snake and as u all well know quarantine is the most important issue when introducing new snakes into a breeding population.... but that is not the question i asked.... if u have any info on said snake and its color phase/ morph that would be appreciated more than the threadjacking, hehehehe jk!
i know the need 2 keep us all on the same page when it comes 2 basic husbandry, but any identification info would be more helpful. thanx
 
oh btw..... it is a corn.... after finally getting in touch w/ the previous owner it seems to be an auratum line (its foreign/ germany) that has some serious masking of its characteristics!
ha i guess i got lucky since the previous owner was friends w/ alot of importers!

im trying to learn more about the auratum b4 i decide 2 breed her or sell/ trade her for some caramel lineage
 
slave600 said:
oh btw..... it is a corn.... after finally getting in touch w/ the previous owner it seems to be an auratum line (its foreign/ germany) that has some serious masking of its characteristics!
ha i guess i got lucky since the previous owner was friends w/ alot of importers!

im trying to learn more about the auratum b4 i decide 2 breed her or sell/ trade her for some caramel lineage
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Yhe recent posting of breeding results on the "auratum" line proves that they are het caramel, not homozygous. As to what else is going on, it's still a mystery.
 
It really looks like the mystery "Auratum Line".
My "Auratum" pair from 09 for comparison.

~
Seriva
 

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thanx for all the info it has been a great help in pointing me in the direction of what i need 2 do 2 breed it next year....

does anyone know what to expect from specific crossings?? i planned on breeding her 2 an amber male, but i have a bubblegum snow, flourescent orange, and a charcoal het lavender/ bloodred also

how does auratum show in comparison to other traits? is it like a recessive caramel , but what is it recessive to? is anery or amel dominant?
 
slave600 said:
how does auratum show in comparison to other traits? is it like a recessive caramel , but what is it recessive to? is anery or amel dominant?
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Most corn snake morphs are a result of simple recessive genes, caramel being one of them. To date, and solely based upon what I've read, the only thing we know is that one pair of the "auratum" snakes were purchased as being homozygous caramel, but the breeding results from 2010 proved them to be only het for caramel. What is actually making them the color they are is currently unknown. There may be another unidentified gene(s) at work, there may be hybrid influence, it may simply be a line-bred look, who knows. I am not sure if this line has been crossed with other morphs yet or not and if so, what the results have been.
 
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