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religion and hybrids

diamondlil said:
Allying yourself with Ghandi? Are you going to quote Martin Luther King next to support your views? Given that you really, really, really like hybrids and that this is a snake site, why not find breeders who support hybridisation as good sources to quote from?
I do personally like this speech, even if it is from a fictional character I believe it's more pertinent to the subject at hand......
Dr. Ian Malcolm: If I may... Um, I'll tell you the problem with the scientific power that you're using here, it didn't require any discipline to attain it. You read what others had done and you took the next step. You didn't earn the knowledge for yourselves, so you don't take any responsibility for it. You stood on the shoulders of geniuses to accomplish something as fast as you could, and before you even knew what you had, you patented it, and packaged it, and slapped it on a plastic lunchbox, and now
[bangs on the table]
Dr. Ian Malcolm: you're selling it, you wanna sell it. Well...
John Hammond: I don't think you're giving us our due credit. Our scientists have done things which nobody's ever done before...
Dr. Ian Malcolm: Yeah, yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should.
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I like the above.... it brings up a very important question. Should we be hybridizing or breeding snakes? It is definitely not natural selection that made a wolf and a Jackal into a combined breed we can now label dog. Dogs breeds in general are not what nature would have selected for. Man has selected dogs to look like dogs and yet the same thing applies when man breeds a corn to a king snake. Or for that matter when one selectively breeds a designer corn snake. There is no difference between the dog/jackal breeds that are so far removed from a wolf in my eyes, but lets discuss.... perhaps dogs should never have been bred by man. Perhaps, we should not have done this.... man has a long and interesting past where it concerns hybrids and selectively breeding. Perhaps, one could argue it is simply in our nature to hybridize as a species?
 
No conservationist purist type is going to convince me that we shouldn't be breeding hybrids as they are taking away from the genetic pool. Hybrids increase the gentic diversity in the pool. Two snakes used to make hybrids can also be used to breed pure specimens at an earlier or a later date. This old warn out tired excuse is one I have heard. The other.... dog is a dog... speech reminds me of the creationist science baraminology. Now, a dog may be a dog, but it sure as heck isn't a wolf in the sense that one is not going to release domesticated dogs to replace the lost wolf population of an area. The same goes with our beautiful designer corn snakes and hybrids thereof. They are being selected for traits in by man just as the domesticated dog has had its traits selected by man. Remove man from the equation and life on this planet would be very different.
 
What is pure? Should man be allowing religion to influence what we do and do not breed or should religion have no place in what one breeds? Whose religion should dictate what is pure and what we are allowed to breed?
"Men never commit evil so fully and joyfuly as when they do it for religious convictions" Blaise Pascal (1623-1662)

"The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has killed a great many philosophers." Denis Diderot

"The church says the earth is flat, but I know that it is round, for I have seen the shadow on the moon, and I have more faith in a shadow than in the church."
Ferdinand Magellan
 
dave partington said:
Speak for yourself. All my lovers have been humans.
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While I won't argue with you there, I would argue that your ancestors were not all Homo sapiens. So, you can put that in your pipe and smoke it while you also contemplate that humans have been hybridizing and selectively breeding plants and animals for a very long time. Do you think the domesticated dog happened by accident? Do you think the domesticated dog should be used to replace wolves in the wild in any sort of conservationists effort? I simply think the same thing about designer corn snakes and hybrids thereof.
 
Rich Z said:
Actually, if you have your own personal forum, yes you can mod the thread to stay on track. I suspect that this is one reason some people choose to have their own forum to moderate as they please.
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But who's going to participate in that, when their comments can be edited or deleted...
 
Carpe Serpentis said:
Do you think the domesticated dog should be used to replace wolves in the wild in any sort of conservationists effort?
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You keep bringing up dogs, dog/jackal hybrids and conservation of wolves. How is that at all relevant to this thread? Is there any religious group that have specifically raised objections to a known plan to replace wolves with feral dogs or with dog hybrids?
 
Nanci said:
But who's going to participate in that, when their comments can be edited or deleted...
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I do like the open format of these threads. Opinions, if they were all the same would be so very boring.

Take Airen for example. He obviously does not like me nor does he have to. I personally like it when people are genuine and tactful, but again.... it takes all kinds. While it may have upset me that Airen likes to call me Carpet, make excuses for such, and then friend and un-friend me... its not at all relevant to this thread or any other other than to show what kind of person he is.

With that being said, many people do get their ethics and feelings of right and wrong from their religious teachings. So, I do like this thread for that reason and others as it makes one think. I personally don't need religion to know murder and rape are wrong. But some do perhaps.
Hybrids or designer corn snakes are no different than domesticated dogs to me in that neither would be used to replace their wild counterparts by a serious conservationists. Domesticated dogs, designer corn snakes, hybrids, they are all creations of man to please mans palate so to speak. What role does religion or religious beliefs play in how we view these things... it is interesting to me to ponder.
 
Carpe Serpentis said:
While it may have upset me that Airen likes to call me Carpet, make excuses for such, and then friend and un-friend me... its not at all relevant to this thread or any other other than to show what kind of person he is.
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Carpe Serpentis said:
I Take Airen for example. He obviously does not like me nor does he have to. I personally like it when people are genuine and tactful, but again.... it takes all kinds. While it may have upset me that Airen likes to call me Carpet, make excuses for such, and then friend and un-friend me... its not at all relevant to this thread or any other other than to show what kind of person he is.

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I still love you, JMMF. Even more than before, in fact!
 
I used the Ignore feature long ago, suggest the rest of the globe does the same.
 
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