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Two Snakes one Viv

They were a specialist reptile store selling only snakes and lizards... they also act as a 'hotel' for pets when their owners go on Holiday.
 
Yeah, I'd say perhaps an email with some links might be a better idea then. Seems there's a thread around here with about 20 photos of cannibalism. I've had it happen personally. Sure would be nice if they would just sign up!
 
Well one of his reasoning's that cannibalism wouldn't occur is because the snakes are the same size and age so they wouldn't be likely to try it. Apparently they only cannabalise if one snake is much smaller.

Not sure how true that is?
 
If they are competing for space, I think size doesn't matter? I know kingsnakes will eat a snake their size, not sure about corns, but they could do damage to one another regardless.
I wanna follow what others have said and say that good on you for coming here. The folks here are wonderful, and have excellent advice.
 
Bexini said:
Well one of his reasoning's that cannibalism wouldn't occur is because the snakes are the same size and age so they wouldn't be likely to try it. Apparently they only cannabalise if one snake is much smaller.

Not sure how true that is?
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Not true at all unfortunately. Same size animals will have a go at each other. It actually happens most often in same size animals. People have many accounts of clutchmates/siblings eating each other.


EDIT: Here is a link to photos of similar sized animals having eaten a cage mate. http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1292935&postcount=53 I collected all the photos while doing research on co-habbing. They came from many different sources.
 
Erk... I am amazingly glad we separated them this morning. A friend of mine actually refused to talk to me and blocked all contact with me because I said we've been convinced to keep two in one tank and I 'obviously had no heart and didn't care for the animal at all'.
 
While your friend is a bit extreme and you might be better off without them, 2 in one viv is generally agreed to be a no-no.
 
One thing with feeding out of the viv and handling afterwards...

When we talk about "don't handle for 2-3 days after feeding or risk regurge", we're talking about extended handling sessions. Not a quick "pick them up and set them into thier cage". That's (more or less) always safe.

However, be warned that some of them stay in "feeding mode" for awhile after getting fed. I know my 3 are such strong feeders that trying to pick them up right after they eat is pretty much a guaranteed nip. So I just tip thier feeding bin down into thier cage and let them crawl out (or sometimes slide out).
 
Congrats on your new snakes and just like everyone else I am happy to see you doing research and really learning the proper care. As far as your question on breeding to young. They can breed as young as 1 year. I had A divided tank with a male baby on one side and a female on the other. My daughter was helping me feed snakes and accidently put the female on the males side. They were instantly locked by the time I walked in. Luckily the female did make it but it was very scary. So yes even if they don't eat each other that is another concern with them not being sexed. So great news on getting a second viv.

I second the pics by the way, we love admiring everyone's babies.
 
They are soooo much happier already and we only swapped them over this morning. They have stopped hiding out of the way in the foliage so the heat matt doesn't kill them. They just don't seem as stressed and they are exploring and it just feels nice that they don't look all curled up defensively.

My next question:

How can you tell if they prowling for food or just exploring?
 
You really can't tell. Corns are opportunistic feeders so they will eat however much you put in front of them. So you really don't want to feed because they are telling you they are hungry because they will always be hungry and you will eventually have an over weight snake. As long as you are feeding them every 5 to 7 days as babies they will be getting enough food. You can continue feeding every 5 to 7 days till they are on larger prey then you can re-evaluate. if they are ready to go to a every 10 or even 14 days schedule when they are adults.

Many keepers starting out go by the Munson plan which I posted the plan below. You can tweak it a little to fit your schedule and your snakes needs as they grow.
 

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Also, You will find some people that say they have co-habbed snakes for years and have had no problems. From what I have read those are very special... and lucky circumstances. I was very confused for a while why it was such a no-no after readin' some of those stories.

Untill I came here anyway.

I forget who it was, but they put things im prospective for me. Even if Canniablism was a one in a million chance... Is it really worth the risk of losing both your snakes?

Anyway, just adding that tidbit in, because you WILL see "Success" Stories out there!
 
Bexini said:
I was thinking about feeding them outside, cos you have to handle them to get them back in but that can cause them to regurgitate?
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yes, handling them right after feeding can cause regurgitation. I've feed all my 12 snakes (not all corns) in their own tanks an have never had an issue with them "biting the hand that feeds them". I agree...seperate them asap.
 
BSLMichael said:
Also, You will find some people that say they have co-habbed snakes for years and have had no problems. From what I have read those are very special... and lucky circumstances. I was very confused for a while why it was such a no-no after readin' some of those stories.

Untill I came here anyway.

I forget who it was, but they put things im prospective for me. Even if Canniablism was a one in a million chance... Is it really worth the risk of losing both your snakes?

Anyway, just adding that tidbit in, because you WILL see "Success" Stories out there!
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The trouble is, even people who think that they are co habbing successfully never know for sure. Of course a snake can die earlier than their average lifespan but even if a co habbed corn lives to be 12-13 or older....some corns live much longer than that. No one will ever know if that co habbed corn that lived to be 14 could have lived to be 20...
 
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