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Weird bumb near the tail. (ever seen this ?)

wyzza

wyzza

b'jour ménamis amaréquain
Hi guys, I've been wondering for a while what could be her problem. I hope maybe some of you have allready seen this and can tell me what it might be.

I need to start of by saying; don't tell me to go see a Vet, there are no good herp Vet around here. Vets in Quebec don't know reptiles and are able to treat simple and obvious problems only, but as far as complicated diagnostics or interventions, I don't trust them.

She's been like that for about 6 months.. I thought she might have internal parasites so I treated her like I would a fresh import.. 3 doses of Panacur and then 3 doses of Flagyl.

Her condition didn't change.

Then I thought, maybe gaz or constipation. I stopped feeding her for 5 weeks, the bump stayed the same size.

It's look like eggs binding, but the feel is softer, it's muscle like.
If I squeeze it, she doesn't react any differently, doesn't seem painfull.
And she was never put with any male.
She's a 2 years old female.

She feeds well, defacated without problems..

Here are some shots of her.

What do you think ?

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WYZ
 
Be open minded..

If where you live, it's normal to bring a cornsnake with a bump in it's tail to a Vet. And the Vet will suggest the right treatment and even have a surgery done to fix the problem... It ain't like that everywhere in the wolrd.

If I bring her to the Vet I allready know they'll give me medication or suggest a surgery. If they open up my girl, I know she'll die.

I know breeders here who do their own surgical procedure on their snakes (to remove abses, to remove stuck eggs, etc.) and that's because they know that the Vet we have here won't do a better job than an untrained amateur.

It's not a matter of saving money..

So if some other members think of suggesting a Vet, please go to the next thread without wasting time on replying.

WYZ
 
She looks to me like she is horribly overweight. What is her feeding schedule?
 
SilentLore said:
She looks to me like she is horribly overweight. What is her feeding schedule?
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She's fed only once a week. And she gets single preys.

I feed her like all my corns. She gets bigger prey item when she's ready and in her case I even went slower on the size progression.

Maybe the pic gives you that impression, but she's pretty normal.

She weighss 360 gr. and is 38 inches long.

WYZ
 
514-486-5258
514-634-4190

Two Vets in Montereal that specialize in reptile/exotics medicine.

Chris
 
Chris Olson said:
514-486-5258
514-634-4190

Two Vets in Montereal that specialize in reptile/exotics medicine.

Chris
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thanks Chris, but I know these Vets.

There ad says "exotic".. it mostly means birds, ferrets, chichillas..

They do treat reptiles, they do advertise they specialise in reptiles.

But it's not really the case.

Let image it for ya :)

It's like comparing a buffet restaurant that serves Italian food, chinise food, meat and seafood.

It's never as good as going to a Chinese, Italian or real sea food place :)

These VETs don,t see reptiles often.

I'm very active on a Quebec Reptile Forum and I've read posts of members who went to these 2 Vets and I can say without a doubt that in most case I could of given a better diagnostic. The only thing is that I can't buy medication. here it's like human prescriptions, we can't get any animal medication on the shelf.

WYZ
 
wyzza said:
She's a 2 years old female.

She feeds well

She weighss 360 gr. and is 38 inches long.
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That pretty much sums it up. What you've shown and described are usually just called "hips" and are fat lumps they develop if they're overfed. She's overweight.

(Just because she is on the same schedule as other snakes who are not overweight does not mean that schedule fits her. :santa: )
 
Serpwidgets said:
She's overweight.
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To be at her right weight how much should she weigh at that age and length ?

And, should I simply start feeding once every 2 meals with a single hoppers to see if she slims down ?

Thanks

WYZ
 
I couldn't give you a weight/length ratio, I think it's different for every individual just like with people. But it looks like the fat deposits go quite a bit up her sides. I would cut back her feeding significantly and yeah, half the food size and only every other feeding sounds about right.

Some of them just make optimal use of nutrition, or are good at storing fat. My cal king got big like that when she was younger, and about 2 years of a good diet got her back into beautiful shape. (She's now 10 years old and still going strong.) :)
 
Well, this is good news.

I was affraid of breeding her since I thought it was maybe a defect.

I'll probably have her in my 2007 breeding plans, It might even help her losing that fat.

Thanks

WYZ
 
Er, someone correct me if I'm wrong, but a snake that vastly overweight really isn't going to be in any fit state to carry eggs anytime soon, right? I mean, the pressure already on her organs, poor state of muscles, stress etc. And breeding her just to get her to lose weight also raises a red flag for me!
 
I am sure the intent is to improve her overall condition before breeding her next spring.

Just confirming that this appearance is typical of 'fatty hips' and when it is quite severe in the lower half of the body, it can be very persistent even when feeding is cut back and snakes get more exercise. I would certainly suggest reducing her food intake - but caution you that it may take a while before she loses this appearance - if she ever does. We have one that had 'hips' when we bought her as an adult - and after a couple years she still hasn't trimmed down completely. She is not as severe as yours but ours has been bred successfully and passed eggs without problems in the past.

One thing quite noticeable on the photo of the belly in your snake is that the scutes are irregular - rather than extending completely across the belly, there are a couple that are split - sort of go at an angle. This appearance has been associated with a pre-disposition to fatty hips by some breeders. I have seen it in all the corns I have looked at that have fat hips - but not everyone has found this. Just something you may want to consider if you are looking at selecting breeding stock in future, especially if you do breed this girl and plan to keep any back from her,


mary v.
 
Another vote for "fatty hips." It looks like it's right out of Kathy's book. Hopefully a better diet regimen and exercise will help.
 
JasonS said:
Another vote for "fatty hips." It looks like it's right out of Kathy's book. Hopefully a better diet regimen and exercise will help.
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This thread is a year old. That snake exploded last September. ;)
 
...it.... it exploded? Do you mean the thread ABOUT the snake exploded or...the actual snake...went boom?
 
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