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A new project. Budding practice to large production.

piemur

piemur

Travi guttata
So, This is an Idea I have, Just wanted some feedback and to know what you guys think. I also might have a new morph? Not too sure, I ask your oppinion. Here it is, This is calculated pretty easily to understand. Let me know what you think.




Step 1a: Breed my charcoal to an Amelanistic Motley het for charcoal,
The offspring as calculated should look something like this.


Male = Amelanistic, Motley het. Charcoal
Female = Charcoal

Offspring predicted as:

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1/2 Normal(het. Amelanistic, het. Charcoal, het. Motley)
1/2 Charcoal (het. Amelanistic, het. Motley)



The normals can be sold/given away. Might keep a pair to breed,
some decent snakes can come from it. That would look like this.




Step 2b: Breeding the normals that are quad het, (Amel, Charcoal, Motley,
Blizzard.) Together produce a wide range of snakes, These are good for
beginner breeders as a clutch can yeild many morphs. The calculations
should look like this,



Male = het. Blizzard, het. Amel, het. Charcoal, het. Motley
Female = het. Blizzard, het. Amel, het. Charcoal, het. Motley

Offspring predicted as:

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27/64 Normal(66% poss. het. Amelanistic, 66% poss. het. Charcoal, 66% poss. het. Motley)
9/64 Amelanistic (66% poss. het. Charcoal, 66% poss. het. Motley)
9/64 Charcoal (66% poss. het. Amelanistic, 66% poss. het. Motley)
3/64 Blizzard (66% poss. het. Motley)
9/64 Motley (66% poss. het. Amelanistic, 66% poss. het. Charcoal)
3/64 Amelanistic, Motley (66% poss. het. Charcoal)
3/64 Charcoal, Motley (66% poss. het. Amelanistic)
1/64 Blizzard, Motley




Step 2: This is the first generation of production on our favourite morphs,
Breeding the Charcoal het. Amel, het. Motley offspring from the first step
we produce four morphs, all usefull for breeding.




Male = Charcoal het. Amel, het. Motley
Female = Charcoal het. Amel, het. Motley

Offspring predicted as:

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9/16 Charcoal (66% poss. het. Amelanistic, 66% poss. het. Motley)
3/16 Blizzard (66% poss. het. Motley)
3/16 Charcoal, Motley (66% poss. het. Amelanistic)
1/16 Blizzard, Motley

This is where we want to be with our project, and in just two steps.
Breeding these offspring will yield a wide range of morphs for newer
breeders. What we wanted from this were the Blizzard Motley Pair and
the Charcoal Poss. Het Amel. Poss. Het. Motley Pair. The reason for this
is that we want to breed the blizzard motley snakes selectivly for the
best pattern. With the Charcoal pair, we want to prove out the genetics
and if we find a pair het for amel and motley, breed them for more blizzard
motleys to selectively breed from, As well as producing Blizzards, Charcoal,
And motly of each.

From here on out it is selective breeding for the highest quality Blizzard
motleys.




Though I am breeding selectively for the best looking Blizzard motley, I
also intend to start a new project using our blizzard motleys. Blood red
works well here in my oppinion.


Step 1: This is an obvious choice for me, But the calculations should explain.
Having a decent looking blizzard motley is a good thing at this point.
Breeding a bloodred Het. Amel to my Blizzard motley gives me a curious snake,
A curious snake with alot of possibilities.

The Amelanistic Het. Pewter, het. Bloodred, Het. Charcoal, Het. Motley is
the snake we want out of this, And a pair is a gold mine. The next step is
quite easy.



Male = Blizzard, Motley
Female = Bloodred het. Amel

Offspring predicted as:

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1/2 het. Amel, het Bloodred, het. Charcoal, het. Motley
1/2 Amelanistic het. Pewter, het Bloodred, het. Charcoal, het. Motley



Step 2. As you can see, this is a phenotype only report, As the Genotype is
quite abit longer. This is a pretty good list of possible offspring.
All the amelanistics are possibly het for bloodred, charcoal and motley in
any or no combination. These can be sold to new breeders for a cheap price,
or given to other breeders for projects.

From here we have a few morphs created to work with, and a MUCH
larger window of breeding possibilities.


Male = Amelanistic, het Bloodred, het. Charcoal, het. Stripe
Female = Amelanistic, het Bloodred, het. Charcoal, het. Motley

Offspring predicted as:

---This is a PHENOTYPE only report-----------------
27/64 Amelanistic
9/64 Amelanistic, Bloodred (AKA Fire)
9/64 Amelanistic, Charcoal (AKA Pewter)
3/64 Amelanistic, Bloodred, Charcoal (New morph? Specter?)
9/64 Amelanistic, Motley
3/64 Amelanistic, Bloodred, Motley (AKA Fire Motley)
3/64 Amelanistic, Charcoal, Motley (AKA Pewter Motley)
1/64 Amelanistic, Bloodred, Charcoal, Motley (New Morph? Specter Motley?)

As you can see, From here my choices become quite limitless from here.

Let me know what you think about this project?
 
Hi,

Just wanted to correct you on step 2b...the normal off spring would NOT be "quad" het but triple het...they would be normals het amel Charcoal motley.
 
Half the time I can't see pics... and this is one of those times. What are you using to post your pictures??
 
piemur said:
Amelanistic, Charcoal (AKA Pewter) - Incorrect
Amelanistic, Bloodred, Charcoal (New morph? Specter?) - Incorrect
Amelanistic, Charcoal, Motley (AKA Pewter Motley) - Incorrect
Amelanistic, Bloodred, Charcoal, Motley (New Morph? Specter Motley?) - Incorrect
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This would indeed be a nice project to start. However, you have posted information that isn't correct.
Amel + Charcoal = Blizzard. Not Pewter. This morph does exist. A Pewter is a Bloodred + Charcoal.
Amel + Bloodred + Charcoal = Whiteout. This morph does exist.
Amel + Charcoal + Motley = Blizzard Motley. Pretty sure they exist in small numbers.
Amelanistic + Bloodred + Charcoal + Motley = Whiteout Motley. Good possibility this could be a new combination but I don't think it would warrant a new "trade name" as most of the genetic make-up in this snake already has a name, "Whiteout". You are just adding Motley to the mix. This would suggest that every other known morph/combo that is mixed with Motley should have it's own trade name as well. This would be overkill and quite redundant. It would serve no purpose other to give a snake a "big shiny name tag".
To reference your suggestion on naming a new morph I do feel that the person who made the morph has a right to name it. However, I also feel that before a name is set in stone one should wait until the snake is an adult and has the best possible chance to represent what the "true" morphs coloration will actually look like. Then and only then do I think the name should be made. Naming a "new" morph based on the babies appearance , should/would/could, be undeserving of the adults overall appearance as Cornsnakes change so much as they grow.
Just my .02 :shrugs:
Jay :cool:
 
piemur said:
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1/2 Normal(het. Amelanistic, het. Charcoal, het. Motley)
1/2 Charcoal (het. Amelanistic, het. Motley)



The normals can be sold/given away. Might keep a pair to breed,
some decent snakes can come from it. That would look like this.

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Oh, that makes sense then :p. This piece here leads me to believe that there are pictures following the "That would look like this" part.
 
Jay@PJCReptiles said:
This would indeed be a nice project to start. However, you have posted information that isn't correct.
Amel + Charcoal = Blizzard. Not Pewter. This morph does exist. A Pewter is a Bloodred + Charcoal.
Amel + Bloodred + Charcoal = Whiteout. This morph does exist.
Amel + Charcoal + Motley = Blizzard Motley. Pretty sure they exist in small numbers.
Amelanistic + Bloodred + Charcoal + Motley = Whiteout Motley. Good possibility this could be a new combination but I don't think it would warrant a new "trade name" as most of the genetic make-up in this snake already has a name, "Whiteout". You are just adding Motley to the mix. This would suggest that every other known morph/combo that is mixed with Motley should have it's own trade name as well. This would be overkill and quite redundant. It would serve no purpose other to give a snake a "big shiny name tag".
To reference your suggestion on naming a new morph I do feel that the person who made the morph has a right to name it. However, I also feel that before a name is set in stone one should wait until the snake is an adult and has the best possible chance to represent what the "true" morphs coloration will actually look like. Then and only then do I think the name should be made. Naming a "new" morph based on the babies appearance , should/would/could, be undeserving of the adults overall appearance as Cornsnakes change so much as they grow.
Just my .02 :shrugs:
Jay :cool:
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Could not have explained it better Jay. This would be a good project to go with, you have a lot of lower-end animals that could pop out to either wholesale out or use in future projects. A well designed plan can go a long way as well, now that you got some corrections tweak it and you look like your good to go.
 
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