A new Project, Seeking Oppinions.

[piemur]

This is starting off slow, but booming at the end. I will be producingmany different morphs and het snakes. Let me know what you think. When I start it i will make an ongoing thread with the progress.

Mods: I think i posted this in the wrong section first. It is in the breeding and egg care, I think here is more appropriate?


Step 1a: Breed my charcoal to an Amelanistic Motley het for charcoal,
The offspring as calculated should look something like this.


Male = Amelanistic, Motley het. Charcoal
Female = Charcoal

Offspring predicted as:

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1/2 Normal(het. Amelanistic, het. Charcoal, het. Motley)
1/2 Charcoal (het. Amelanistic, het. Motley)



The normals can be sold/given away. Might keep a pair to breed,
some decent snakes can come from it. That would look like this.




Step 2b: Breeding the normals that are quad het, (Amel, Charcoal, Motley,
Blizzard.) Together produce a wide range of snakes, These are good for
beginner breeders as a clutch can yeild many morphs. The calculations
should look like this,



Male = het. Blizzard, het. Amel, het. Charcoal, het. Motley
Female = het. Blizzard, het. Amel, het. Charcoal, het. Motley

Offspring predicted as:

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27/64 Normal(66% poss. het. Amelanistic, 66% poss. het. Charcoal, 66% poss. het. Motley)
9/64 Amelanistic (66% poss. het. Charcoal, 66% poss. het. Motley)
9/64 Charcoal (66% poss. het. Amelanistic, 66% poss. het. Motley)
3/64 Blizzard (66% poss. het. Motley)
9/64 Motley (66% poss. het. Amelanistic, 66% poss. het. Charcoal)
3/64 Amelanistic, Motley (66% poss. het. Charcoal)
3/64 Charcoal, Motley (66% poss. het. Amelanistic)
1/64 Blizzard, Motley




Step 2: This is the first generation of production on our favourite morphs,
Breeding the Charcoal het. Amel, het. Motley offspring from the first step
we produce four morphs, all usefull for breeding.




Male = Charcoal het. Amel, het. Motley
Female = Charcoal het. Amel, het. Motley

Offspring predicted as:

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9/16 Charcoal (66% poss. het. Amelanistic, 66% poss. het. Motley)
3/16 Blizzard (66% poss. het. Motley)
3/16 Charcoal, Motley (66% poss. het. Amelanistic)
1/16 Blizzard, Motley

This is where we want to be with our project, and in just two steps.
Breeding these offspring will yield a wide range of morphs for newer
breeders. What we wanted from this were the Blizzard Motley Pair and
the Charcoal Poss. Het Amel. Poss. Het. Motley Pair. The reason for this
is that we want to breed the blizzard motley snakes selectivly for the
best pattern. With the Charcoal pair, we want to prove out the genetics
and if we find a pair het for amel and motley, breed them for more blizzard
motleys to selectively breed from, As well as producing Blizzards, Charcoal,
And motly of each.

From here on out it is selective breeding for the highest quality Blizzard
motleys.




Though I am breeding selectively for the best looking Blizzard motley, I
also intend to start a new project using our blizzard motleys. Blood red
works well here in my oppinion.


Step 1: This is an obvious choice for me, But the calculations should explain.
Having a decent looking blizzard motley is a good thing at this point.
Breeding a bloodred Het. Amel to my Blizzard motley gives me a curious snake,
A curious snake with alot of possibilities.

The Amelanistic Het. Pewter, het. Bloodred, Het. Charcoal, Het. Motley is
the snake we want out of this, And a pair is a gold mine. The next step is
quite easy.



Male = Blizzard, Motley
Female = Bloodred het. Amel

Offspring predicted as:

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1/2 het. Amel, het Bloodred, het. Charcoal, het. Motley
1/2 Amelanistic het. Pewter, het Bloodred, het. Charcoal, het. Motley



Step 2. As you can see, this is a phenotype only report, As the Genotype is
quite abit longer. This is a pretty good list of possible offspring.
All the amelanistics are possibly het for bloodred, charcoal and motley in
any or no combination. These can be sold to new breeders for a cheap price,
or given to other breeders for projects.

From here we have a few morphs created to work with, and a MUCH
larger window of breeding possibilities.


Male = Amelanistic, het Bloodred, het. Charcoal, het. Stripe
Female = Amelanistic, het Bloodred, het. Charcoal, het. Motley

Offspring predicted as:

---This is a PHENOTYPE only report-----------------
27/64 Amelanistic
9/64 Amelanistic, Bloodred (AKA Fire)
9/64 Amelanistic, Charcoal (AKA Pewter)
3/64 Amelanistic, Bloodred, Charcoal (New morph? Specter?)
9/64 Amelanistic, Motley
3/64 Amelanistic, Bloodred, Motley (AKA Fire Motley)
3/64 Amelanistic, Charcoal, Motley (AKA Pewter Motley)
1/64 Amelanistic, Bloodred, Charcoal, Motley (New Morph? Specter Motley?)

As you can see, From here my choices become quite limitless from here.

Let me know what you think about this project?

 

[Ssthisto]

Blizzard Bloodreds already have a name ("Whiteout") - but that does sound like a very interesting project.

Certainly if you were going to be working on selective breeding projects as well, that'd be a good long-term plan.

You've not quite got your phenotypes right in the last pairing, though - you could get:

Amels possible het Blood, Motley, Charcoal
Amel Motleys possible het Blood, Charcoal
Amel Bloods possible het Motley, Charcoal ("Fire")
Amel Blood Motleys possible het Charcoal ("Fire Motley")
Blizzards possible het Blood, Motley
Blizzard Motleys possible het Blood
Blizzard Bloods possible het Motley ("Whiteout")
Blizzard Blood Motleys ("Whiteout Motley")

You would not get any charcoals, pewters, charcoal motleys or pewter motleys from pairing two Amelanistic het blood/charcoal/motley animals. If you wanted them, you'd need to keep a normal het amel/charcoal/motley/blood, which means you'd add:

Normal possible het amel/charcoal/motley/blood
Normal Motley possible het Amel/Charcoal/Blood
Normal Blood possible het Amel/Charcoal/Motley
Normal Blood Motley possible het Amel/Charcoal
Charcoal possible het Amel/Motley/Blood
Charcoal Motley possible het Amel/Blood
Charcoal Blood possible het Amel/Motley ("Pewter")
Charcoal Blood Motley possible het Amel ("Pewter Motley")

However, it will be quite difficult determining which of your last-pairing (Amel het Charcoal, Motley, Blood to the same) offspring are homozygous Motley AND homozygous Bloodred because the uncheckered motley belly hides the best "this is a homozygous bloodred" visual cue. You'd pretty much have to keep anything with a white belly and test-breed it against an animal that is homozygous bloodred and known NOT to carry Motley or Stripe.

 

[Candy_Cane1]

I think that your project (the first one) is more opt to produce 50% Charcoal, het amel, het motley, and 50% Normals het for blizzard, het for Motley. If you continued to breed your F1's, and the hets prove to be as I stated, you'd get Blizzard motleys. Thus creating Norms hets for blizzard, charcoals het for amel, amel het for charcoal, het for charcoal, hets for amel, blizzards, charcoals. amels, and normals with no hets.


Your second paring, with the amels het for charcoal stripe/motleys could create a BUTLOAD of things. Too many for me to even begin to list.