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Blizzards: how to

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scottrussell

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Hi i just started collecting some corn snakes and i'm hoping to breed some blizzards in the future. What is the ideal way to get the most possible blizzards with a pair short of breeding two blizzards together? if blizzards are a mix of amelanistic and anerythrism type B, can i just breed an albino male to a charcoal female? and if i have a sunglow male that i breed to a charcoal, how will that come out differently?
 
Amel x charcoal= 100% normals het charcoal, amel (blizzard).

Since sunglow is a variety of amel, the results will be the same.
 
If you breed a charcoal female to an amel male the resulting babies will be normals het charcoal and amel (or het blizzard if you prefer short hand). Then you would have to breed thouse babies together to get blizzards. Would having a sunglow amel change the results, no, unless the sunglow you have is also homo hypo then there could be some kind of difference but that is just speculation seeing as i have never seen a blizzard that is also homo hypo.

Hope that helps. :cheers:
 
What is the ideal way to get the most possible blizzards with a pair short of breeding two blizzards together?
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There are two equally productive ways, which produce mixed clutches where statistically 50% of them would be blizzards:
1- Amel het charcoal X Blizzard = 1/2 amels and 1/2 blizzards.
B- Charcoal het amel X Blizzard = 1/2 charcoals and 1/2 blizzards.

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The next step down would be clutches where 25% of them are blizzards:

3- Blizzard X Normal ("het blizzard") het amel and het charcoal: 1/4 normals, 1/4 charcoals, 1/4 amels, 1/4 blizzards
4- Amel het charcoal X charcoal het amel: 1/4 normals, 1/4 charcoals, 1/4 amels, 1/4 blizzards
E- Amel het charcoal X amel het charcoal: 3/4 amels, 1/4 blizzards
6- Charcoal het amel X charcoal het amel: 3/4 charcoals, 1/4 blizzards

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You would get 12.5% blizzards by using either of the following pairs:

G- Normal het blizzard X charcoal het amel
8- Normal het blizzard X amel het charcoal

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And finally, there's the old double het X double het which would give you a statistical 6.25% chance per egg, producing:
9/16 normals, 3/16 amels, 3/16 charcoals, 1/16 blizzard
 
so in short, would two snakes would i need to buy to produce blizzard? if i had an amel male and bought an amel female would i have any blizzards? would i have to buy two het for blizzard snakes?
 
First one!

Dibs! I'm the first to notice (or at least post a comment on) Serp's bullet point listing. Must've seen "National Lampoon's Vacation" recently. :rolleyes:

regards,
jazz
 
so in short, would two snakes would i need to buy to produce blizzard? if i had an amel male and bought an amel female would i have any blizzards? would i have to buy two het for blizzard snakes?
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Unless you're lucky enough to have amels who are secretly carrying the charcoal gene, you will not get blizzards by breeding amel X amel. Blizzard is a morph combo of two homozygous genes, amel and charcoal. Unless each parent is atleast carrying one copy of each gene, you have ZERO chance of getting blizzards in the immediate offspring. If neither parent carries one of the genes, you have ZERO* chance of getting blizzards no matter how many generations you breed together.

-Kat
*Well, okay... it's possible for a spontaneous mutation to occur, but that is so extremely rare that you're better off playing the lottery.
 
In order to produce blizzards from a pairing, each parent must carry at least one gene for amel and at least one gene for charcoal. Your odds increase if one or both parents are amel (het charcoal) or charcoal (het amel) or blizzard (amel + charcoal).

You cannot get blizzards if any parent does not carry amel or does not carry charcoal...bare minimum. Since a blizzard is an amel charcoal, it must get one charcoal and one amel gene from each parent. No shortcuts, unfortunately.
 
basically this thread is just stemming from me wanting to start a good beginner breeder's collection. i wanted to get the fewest amount of males and most amount of females so in the outcome i could have babies that are 6 different types. normal, amel, anery A, anery B, snow, blizzard. its possible to do that with normal, amel, anery A, and snow but i was hoping i could incorporate charcoal and blizzard; if not what would be another good morph to try to incorporate?
 
The idea is to get the morphs you like.

Who cares if you like 'only' amels and caramels and hate lavanders...so what if you love stripes and hate motlies? Get the ones that you like the look of and you will love them...not for what they can produce.
 
all of those types i like, with charcoal and blizzard being the ones i like the most; but i just want a good variety. the things i mainly like have the normal corn snake patterns though, i'm not into stripes or zig zags or anything like that.
 
How many snakes are you looking at purchasing in the first place?

You stated that these are the ones that you wanted: normal, amel, anery A, anery B, snow, blizzard

If you are trying to decide what male and females you should get, that is totally up to you. The genes that you are looking for aren't gender specific. But, I would suggest that you get the Snow and Blizzard as males, and try and pick up the Amel and 2 Anery's with hets for the combinations that you want in the female gender. Don't worry about picking up a normal as you will produce some of them in the first clutch.

But that is just my suggestion.
 
right now i have a male sunglow and a female anerythristic. the anery's parents were a ghost and snow, and the sunglows parents i THINK were just two sunglows.
 
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