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brumating question

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mini truck johnson

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I've read on here sometime ago that people have put there snakes into brumation for a few weeks and then bring there out and being able to bread them. I was wondering if this is possible and is it safe to do to them too. I would like to try breading them the right way. We have 3 females and 2 males that have been in a 100 gal tank togethere all year around and they have bread before but there eggs werent good.
I've got a 2nd question too. We were trying to figure out what kind of snakes we could get out of them too. Our biggest female is around 4-5 feet long and she is a reverse okettee with alot of white and little yellow on her sides, 2nd on is around 3 feet long and is a charcol and the 3rd is a snow around 3 feet. The largest male is around 3-4 feet long and he is a reverse okettee too but has little white and lot of orange and my other male is just a normal. The 1st male was the strong male last year so we pulled the other one out of there for a will. Any comments back will be great.
Thanks
 
I'm sure others will be along to advise on the technicalities, but just for info, you don't actually have to brumate in order to breed. I've bred for years without. I think brumating makes things easier for the breeder, but I've never heard that NOT brumating does any harm to the snakes.

Separating the snakes and putting them together just for mating might be the key to getting good eggs. I don't know how much (if at all) stress makes a difference to fertility but you could already have a head start there.
 
In my opinion 5 snakes together all of the time would be highly stressful and I doubt stressed snakes want to mate. I would put each in a proper setup and wait until next spring when they will want to mate and then choose which male for which female. After the female sheds place her with a male for a while. If they hook up you can put the female back in her cage and be done. If they do not hook up try her with the other male, she may not like the first. Or she may not be ready, in that case I would wait 3 days and try again. Watch them so you know they hook up or you might accidentally breed one to both males then not know who the fathers of the clutch are. Once you have confirmed hook ups the females need to live alone to be as stress free as possible, in the wild snakes only come together to breed then go on with their separate lives. I would think a stressed female would either become eggbound or reabsorb her clutch.
 
ok ill have to give that a try. The guy I get mice from told me that they would fine togethere in the same cage and to put the eggs on top of the frige so they would stay warm and keep the bedding damp put they all still went bad. What is the best way to incubate them?
 
Totally agree with carnivorous you should not keep 5 snakes together especially if they are multi gender you wouldn't even know if by some chance females did lay which babies came from which father.
 
will last year when they started to bread we watched them to see witch male was breading with the females and pulled the other male out and just left the one male in there with the females. sense they were competing with each other to who gets the girl. so we pulled the smaller male out sense he was getting chased from one side to the other and we didnt want them to fight or anything like that so we put him in a cage by him self. But they r fine around each other now a days.
 
separate your snakes. 2 is too many. 5 is nuts.

You might think they seem fine but this is causing them a LOT of stress. Snakes in the wild keep far, far, far from each other. Much further than your cage can offer. If you can't afford to separate them than you need to sell them. I know that sucks to hear but your being wildly selfish if you don't.
 
As to pairing;
Remember first that you are going to end up with many many dozens of baby snakes.... and they HAVE to be kept separately. so 3 females I'd expect anywhere from 40-80 eggs so thats 40-80 baby snake cages. Plus caring and feeding them. You also have to realize that your not going to sell 40-80 snakes very quickly at all. (the pet store might buy 3-5 a month if your lucky) So before you breed them, make extra sure you can handle the cost and time its going to take.

If you decide that you can than (remembering that a reverse okeetee is still just an Amel) you can expect the babies to be;

Amel X Amel = 100% amels
Amel X Charcoal = 100% normal het amel, charcoal
Amel X Snow= 100% amel het anery

Normal X anything = normal (unless it has compatible hets)
 
pss: your not going to make money breeding your snakes. You will be lucky if you break even after paying for all the cost of the babies. (40-80 pinkies x2 a week adds up)
 
I agree, even if you only feed once a week it will cost a lot and feeding less than that abuse for hatchlings in my opinion. There are a couple exceptions to this rule of mine but they are emergencies not normal circumstances. I only do one clutch a year. I did not make ANY money this year but then I do not do it for the money.
 
Oh and just because they are not actively fighting does not mean they are "fine". I guarantee they are not completely fine.
 
Do your research…

You really need to do your research about cohabitating your snakes. For young hatchlings it’s not bad for a few weeks but for adults it is a big NO GO… Look on this site and you will see how bad it is. I’m really surprised that you haven’t gotten chewed out yet but I bet you its coming. Bottom line do not cohab your snakes, you don’t have any breeding control over them and they may not produce as they should because of how stressed they are. Snakes don’t bitch or complain because they can’t, it’s up to you as a responsible owner to research and know the nature of your snakes and provide them with their needs.

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alright. I was miss informed form some people befor hand even by will now pet store here in des moines that has alot of snakes they sell. but whats the best way to incubate the eggs?
 
I honestly wouldnt move on to breeding yet. It really is more work than you would guess.
Pet store guys will say whatever they think you want to hear. Figure out what you're going to do with the 5 snakes you have before giving yourself a bigger handful.
 
What I think I mite do is try to bread just the biggest girl and male and try with just one for now. With the othe 7 snakes we have we plan on keeping them for as long as they live. 2 of them are around 1.5 years old. We both love them and want to keep them but with the babies we were only planing on keep a few of them and sell the rest as people want them. The pet shop where we get some of or stuff at has been around for 30+ years so we figured we could trust his word on how he says to take care of them but i guesse not then.
 
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