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Butter Mots

manog

manog

Closet Creation Herps
Hello Everyone and let me just thank you beforehand for your help.

I would like to start a Butter Mot project and wanted to make sure that my research was correct.

If i breed a female Carmel and a male amel mot will i get butter mots? or will i have to wait for second generation offspring?

What is the quickest route of producing the butter mots/stripes besides actually having two butter mot/ stripe parents?

This is my first 'project' so thanks for the help!
 
Hey chris, good choice of project in my opinion.

For your first question, breeding a female caramel and a male amel mot will get you normals het. caramel, amel, motley. If you then breed that generation together the results would be something like

42.19% Normal(66% het. Amel, 66% het. Caramel, 66% het. Motley)
14.06% Amelanistic (66% het. Caramel, 66% het. Motley)
14.06% Caramel (66% het. Amel, 66% het. Motley)
4.69% Butter (66% het. Motley)
14.06% Motley (66% het. Amel, 66% het. Caramel)
4.69% Amelanistic, Motley (66% het. Caramel)
4.69% Caramel, Motley (66% het. Amel)
1.56% Butter, ,Motley

If you want to have any chance of getting butter mots in just one breeding year, then both mother and father must be homo or het caramel, amel and mot.

So if your female was Caramel het amel and mot, and your male was amel mot het caramel, then the results might looks more like this:

12.50% Normal(het. Amel, het. Caramel, het. Motley)
12.50% Caramel (het. Amel, het. Motley)
12.50% Amelanistic (het. Caramel, het. Motley)
12.50% Butter (het. Motley)
12.50% Motley (het. Amel, het. Caramel)
12.50% Caramel, Motley (het. Amel)
12.50% Amelanistic, Motley (het. Caramel)
12.50% Butter, ,Motley

manog said:
What is the quickest route of producing the butter mots/stripes besides actually having two butter mot/ stripe parents?
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Like I said above...the only thing that can give you a better shot, is using corns that carry more of the target hets you need to create your project goal. In most cases, if both parents arent at least het for a trait that is needed to reach your target, then it will take at least two years of breeding.

However, if one parent is het or homo stripe and the other parent is het or homo motley, then you will have new results. Like if it is a Caramel het stripe and a amel motley het caramel, you should get:

12.50% Normal(het. Amel, het. Caramel, het. Motley)
12.50% Caramel (het. Amel, het. Motley)
12.50% Amelanistic (het. Caramel, het. Motley)
12.50% Butter (het. Motley)
12.50% MotleyXStripe (het. Amel, het. Caramel)
12.50% Caramel, MotleyXStripe (het. Amel)
12.50% Amelanistic, MotleyXStripe (het. Caramel)
12.50% Butter, ,MotleyXStripe

Hope that helped :)
 
manog said:
Hello Everyone and let me just thank you beforehand for your help.

I would like to start a Butter Mot project and wanted to make sure that my research was correct.

If i breed a female Carmel and a male amel mot will i get butter mots? or will i have to wait for second generation offspring?

What is the quickest route of producing the butter mots/stripes besides actually having two butter mot/ stripe parents?

This is my first 'project' so thanks for the help!
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Starting with triple hets gives you a 1 in 64 shot per egg of hatching a butter motley. If you want to increase your odds, you can start by "overlapping" one or more of the genes in the parents. For example, amel motley X caramel motley gives you motleys het amel & caramel, which quadruples your odds to 1 in 16.

If you start out with an amel het motley and a caramel het motley, you can still produce motleys het amel & caramel, except you'd only get about 1/4th as many.

You can overlap any of the genes like this:
Caramel amel X amel motley
Caramel amel X caramel motley
Caramel motley X amel motley

Or with hets on the overlapping gene:
Caramel het amel X motley het amel
Amel het caramel X motley het caramel
Caramel het motley X amel het motley

Another hint is that the Motley pattern is a big variable. What I mean is that (for the most part) all caramels are just as caramel as other caramels, and all amels are just as amelanistic as other amels. However, some motleys will have MUCH better patterns than others. If you start with motleys and always have motley X motley breedings, you can select the best-looking motley patterns to continue your project with. In this way, you have a better shot at getting butter motleys with the kind of motley pattern you prefer. :) (IOW if I were doing this project I would want to start with caramel motley x amel motley.)
 
WOW! Thank you so much for the help. This is so exciting and i cant wait to get started. You guys are awesome! Thanks again! :cheers:
 
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