Cinnamon Corn

[Kim_Hansson]

Hi!

Is the Cinnamon Corn the results of breeding Elaphe g. meahllmorum to a Hypomelanistic Elaphe g. guttata?

Or

Is it Elaphe g. emoryi to a Hypomelanistic Corn.


I have read both on different websites.

Best regards//Kim

 

[bitsy]

For the US members who might not know, I think Cinnamon is the European name for the RootBeer (we don't tend to have the drink over here).

As for the derivation, I'm not sure you can pin it down to a specific type of Rat Snake unless you know the grandparents.

As I understand it, a Cinnamon/RootBeer is the Normal-looking offspring of a Creamsicle parent (or parents), so it will depend how the parent(s) was produced.

It used to be that Creamsicles were only guttatus x emoryi, but these days the name seems to be applied to any Amel-looking Corn hybrid that derives from crossing a Corn with another sort of Rat Snake.

 

[janew]

Actually, as far as I know, cinnamon is used to refer to hypo guttata x emoryi (F2 of the cross, homozygous hypo). Many Brits use the term "Copper" instead of rootbeer.

 

[zwyatt]

(we don't tend to have the drink over here).

Lucky you :grin01:



According to Serp's online morph info (http://www.serpwidgets.com/Morphs/Oddities/oddities.html)

"The name Rootbeer has caught on as a name for normally colored Corn/Emoryi hybrids."

Of course, this only holds true if Cinnamon = Rootbeer. Since there are so many names used for various morphs, cinnamon may be a term used to describe more than one morph (all dependent upon who you ask).

 

[lefty_mussolini]

I've always heard Cinnamon used to refer to the hypo variation of the cross between Guttata X Emoryi or Guttata X Meahllmorum.
And Rootbeer is the non-hypo version of the same crosses.

 

[bitsy]

Actually, as far as I know, cinnamon is used to refer to hypo guttata x emoryi (F2 of the cross, homozygous hypo). Many Brits use the term "Copper" instead of rootbeer.

Thanks Jane - got the feeling I should've looked it up after I pressed the Post button! Jeepers - now you're having to cross the Atlantic to correct me... :dunce:

 

[janew]

Jeepers - now you're having to cross the Atlantic to correct me... :dunce:

LOL! We're on the same side of the pond, bitsy! :cheers:

 

[jazzgeek]

I wanna live with a Cinnamon Corn
I could be happy the rest of my life
With a Cinnamon Corn....

 

[Serpwidgets]

I've always heard Cinnamon used to refer to the hypo variation of the cross between Guttata X Emoryi or Guttata X Meahllmorum.
And Rootbeer is the non-hypo version of the same crosses.

Agreed. I believe meahllmorum are considered to be basically a "locality" of Emoryi anyway.

According to http://www.cnah.org/detail.asp?id=125
Burbrink (2002 Molecular Phylogenetics and Evolution 25(3): 465-476) concluded that this subspecies did not deserve recognition.

So I am assuming that within the classifications that recognize Pantherophis, they would both be P. Emoryi.