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Cornsnake or Ratsnake?

Arpolis

Arpolis

Corn Snake Breeder
I was cleaning out my rat cage the other morning and on top of it I have another cage that I put ferrits in when I clean their big one. I had moved that one off and started to clean away. My wife walks in and says "Oh god there is a snake!!!!" And curled up in the bars of the ferrit cage is a little juvnile snake. I have had a couple escapey corns from me in the past but non ever looked like this. Being I am in Oklahoma Im thinking Grey rat snake. But I am terrible at telling juvinile corns from rats. What do you think?
 

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If I had to guess I would say it's a rat snake, but I am not sure. It's eyes look more like a rat snake's eyes than a corn snake.
 
Definately a black rat snake. Not a grey because their range isn't that far north or west. I guess it could be a texas since you are located close to their range. It looks just like the blacks I have and very different from my emorys. Hope that helps.

Mike
 
Thank you all for the posts. I still find it weired to find the guy in my home. I live in the city and Garter snakes are all I have ever seen here in the "Wild". Thanks again!
 
Yeah, it's definitely a juvenile Black Ratsnake......

In the area of Oklahoma around Tulsa, that is in very solid Black Ratsnake range. Texas x Black rat intergrades are found further along the western side of Oklahoma where their two natural ranges overlap, as well as the entire southern portion of Oklahoma. Gray ratsnake's are almost two states over to the east in western Tennessee.


Nice little youngster!


~Doug
 
DMong said:
Yeah, it's definitely a juvenile Black Ratsnake......

In the area of Oklahoma around Tulsa, that is in very solid Black Ratsnake range. Texas x Black rat intergrades are found further along the western side of Oklahoma where their two natural ranges overlap, as well as the entire southern portion of Oklahoma. Gray ratsnake's are almost two states over to the east in western Tennessee.


Nice little youngster!


~Doug
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OK cool. Guess it shows how little I know about rat snakes. I only said grey rat snake because this li'l one has a metallic almost aluminum grey background. Real cool looking in person. So I was just going on a guess and just using his color. The consensus seems to be black rat & I am happy with that.
 
Arpolis said:
OK cool. Guess it shows how little I know about rat snakes. I only said grey rat snake because this li'l one has a metallic almost aluminum grey background. Real cool looking in person. So I was just going on a guess and just using his color. The consensus seems to be black rat & I am happy with that.
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Yes, all of the North American obsoletus complex look VERY similar as hatchlings and juveniles. That one will darken very substantially as it matures.


cheers, ~Doug
 
Why oh why does this never happen to me? FYI, I would love to have rat snakes show up in my house.
 
Naagas said:
Why oh why does this never happen to me? FYI, I would love to have rat snakes show up in my house.
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LOL!!!, I KNOW!. I have friends that have had wild cornsnakes fall on their heads when they opened the outside door to their snake/rodent buildings, many others finding different types of snakes in or on their rodent breeder cages looking for easy meals, a good friend of mine's wife opened up the silverware drawer and found a 3 foot cornsnake in there. She called her husband thinking it was one of his that had recently escaped, but upon him arriving home, it was indeed a brand new "house guest..LOL!". And not long ago there was a person that found a very pretty juvenile cornsnake coiled up inside their street mailbox.

geeez!, talk about "convenience"!.. :D



~Doug
 
oh!,......and I almost forgot about the 5 foot female Yellow Ratsnake I captured in a ladies bedroom about 2 years ago..LOL!

Luckily for the snake she knew I was big into snakes since the late 1960's and told her private care giver to call me and identify it and possibly come do something with it. Well, I asked a couple very descriptive questions to the guy over the phone, and I instantly knew it weas an adult Yellow Ratsnake. I just happened to have a BEAUTIFUL locality male from the same county, so I was really hoping it was a female I could pair up with him. Anyway, as luck would have it, it was indeed a mature female, so I took her home to be paired up with my male later on.

I would post a photo of them, but I don't really know if it would be frowned upon to post anything other than cornsnake photos, since I have seen many sticky posts regarding it. :shrugs:


~Doug
 
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