Different types of Hypomels

[JFDery]

Hi, I'm new to this forum, Canadian breeder.

anybody here did tests as to which types of hypos are compatible and not? I have at least two types of hypos, well they express differently anyway.

one of them expresses by a reduction of quantity of black on the snakes, like very reduced black around the saddles. This is the hypos I've mostly seen on the market for years, they have dark eyes, they are my "normal" hypos.

the other seems to express by a reduction of intensity of black. My offspring are normal looking, but seem... bleached? The borders around the saddles can be just as thick as a normally colored corn, but very pale, brownish. All of these have ruby eyes. These make really nice ghosts.

Yesterday, I picked up something that looks like a combination of both types. Borders around the saddles are thin, like my normal hypos. All black seems brown, quite easlily seen on the checkered belly, and eyes are ruby, like my newer type of hypo.

Is this the expression of two compatible hypomelanistic types, or a double mutation of two different types of hypos? I'm sure the parent snakes can very well be het for both types, but has anyone worked with these two types of hypos individually? Should I try to isolate each gene or has anybody done that already?

Thanks, Jean F. Dery

 

[Sabbas]

Type "hypo in a nutshell" in the forum search and then click that first post that comes up "hypo gene" - there is an extremely well done post by elaphe4herps that pretty much outlines all you need to know about the 4 types of hypo genes (type A - type D) along with their non-capatability tests and pictures of most of them together in one shot I believe. I'd link ya directly to the post but alas, i r teh noob.

 

[Kat]

Quick listing (all 4 are confirmed incompatible with one another):

HypoA - standard hypo that most are used to
HypoB (aka sunkissed) - originally from a line of Kathy Love's okeetees... not enough info yet to tell just how much of its appearance is due to the gene, and how much due to okeetee ancestry
HypoC (lava, formerly transparent hypo) - This line comes from Joe Pierce, still fairly new, with Ice Ghost being the only double-homozygous morph at the moment.
HypoD (ultra) - This one is fun... preliminary evidence suggests that this gene is codominant with amel. (The other 3 forms of hypo are all standard recessives.) Ultramel = het ultra/het amel. Ultra ambers (ultramel caramels), ultramel motleys, and ultra amber motleys (ultramel caramel motleys) are the morph combos floating around at this point. I -think- ultra ambers are what Rich is calling Golddust, but I'd have to go back and reread that post of his. The ultra line can be traced back to Mike Falcon.

There are other forms of untested hypo out there... but the above four have proven to be incompatible with one another. Who knows what else lurks in the genepool?

-Kat

 

[JFDery]

Tanks Kat & Sabbas,

I just followed a couple links from the Hypo in a nutshell post, and got an easy 45 minutes of very interesting reading on the type C hypos. I had to stop reading to pick it up on my home computer because the screen I have at the shop is burning my eyes

There seems to still be another 10 pages of posts on that thread so I'll sit down for awhile I guess. But so far, I'm not sure if I read that the ruby eyes where related to one typo of hypo in particular or not.

Where does the ruby irises come from? Could it be that this type of hypomelanisme also affects the eyes because it diminishes the intensity of black rather than the quantity??? I know ruby eyes are'nt new, but I'd like to know what to associate it with, if anyone knows.

Thanks for your replies. Jean Dery