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sboyes

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I recently brought a female corn that I was told was a creamsicle. Looking at it though it looks more like a ghost to me. I have been told that it could just be a 'normal' creamsicle though. I have also been told that if it is a ghost then if i bred it to an anery then I should get all anery babies.
Well my question is, what would I have to breed it to to find out if it is a creamsicle? would it have to be to another creamsicle?
cheers :)
 
Creamsicle is a term generally used to denote corn X emoryi albinos. That having been said, if your snake has dark eyes, he's not a creamsicle.... the seller was probably using it to denote the emoryi bloodlines. TBH, I don't know what you'd call a corn X emoryi ghost... there isn't really a name for it.

-Kat
 
Definitely looks like a ghost, morph-wise... I stand by my statement that the seller was probably using 'creamsicle' to denote emoryi bloodlines rather than morph. Very pretty.

-Kat
 
I posted this in the other thread, but thought it might go here too . . .Excuse the redundancy.

Given that you're in the UK, how many creamsicles are actually available over there? I mean, I'm pretty ignorant on the issue, but I have noticed a real increase int he number of people that call their animals a name by how they look rather than by what they are genetically. That animal appears to be a pastel ghost to me, and in the eyes of a UK breeder, it may well have appeared to have a "creamy" look to it, thereby justifying (in that person's mind) the name "creamsicle. On the other hand, it may well have emoryi blood in it.

However, there is not going to be any good way to tell what your animal really is without some intensive breeding trials. Even then, you'll only have conclusions drawn from a preponderance of evidence, most likely.

This is exactly why it is so very important for us all to make certain that we know what we have and ONLY lable it for what it truly is. If we don't insist on calling intergrades and hybrids for what they are, the pool of cornsnake blood may become so fully infused with other snakes that a pure bred corn will be a thing of the past.

:(
 
What do you mean by pure-blood?

As in pure amel? or as in Normal?

Just trying to understand... bit new to the morphing and whatta-whatta!
 
I mean pure cornsnake (Pantherophis guttata guttata) as opposed to a mixture of corn with other subspecies (such as, Pantherophis guttata emoryi -- the Great Plains Rat Snake) or with other species (such as, Lampropeltis getula californiae -- the California King Snake). Once those genes become infused into the cornsnake population on an endemic basis, it will be impossible to remove them. So, it is imperative to keep all records as precise as is humanly possible whenever it is the case that one deals in multiple species, intergrades, or hybrids.
 
Woah! I must not be paying attention to new developments in taxonomy, I guess. When did they change from Elaphe guttata guttata to Pantherophis? Just curious. :)
 
It's been within the last couple of months. I don't know the actual date. The reasoning is that New World rat snakes don't have enough in common with Old World Elaphe. So, they gave the next available name "Pantherophis." Like New World rat snakes have a great deal in common with panthers?!?!?!?

:D

I'm really having to force myself to use the new name!
 
Um, right. I've often thought my snakes were very catlike. ;) After all, they share the same taste in food!
 
Hi, thanks for your replys
Creamsicles are fairly easy to come across in the uk. The breeder that I got a couple of my corns from has quite a few lovely creamsicles that look like I'd say creamsicles should.

Having said this the person that I got the corn in question from didn't have much of a clue about corns, he was more of a python man. I think he only got them to help out a friend.

I'm going to take her to the breeder soon to see what he reckons but like you said there's no real way of fully proving her genetics. Think that if I do get some babies from her in the future I'm going to have to sell them as possibly having emoryi roots.

Cheers for your help :)
 
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