kisatchie hybrid question

[william prejean]

Hey everyone, I know this has been talked about before but i was still thinking about it.. If you breed a kisatchie to an amel, will the f1 gen be hybrids and a cross between the two or would you need to see the f2 gen??
I may be wrong but if you are creating a hybrid, does not the first gen of the breeding show altered offspring?? any info would be helpful.

 

[Ssthisto]

The first-generation cross animals ARE hybrids (they're half corn, half Kisatchie rat).

You wouldn't see any Amels in the first generation, however, unless there is an Amelanistic gene in Kisatchies, you happen to have a het AND it's compatible with Cornsnake Amelanistic. Otherwise you'd have to breed them back together to get a chance at further hybrid Cornsatchies that might show the Amel trait.

 

[reptile_jones]

I asked a similar question last year. Here is the link,

http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=74254

Dusty Jones
Rogue Reptiles

 

[william prejean]

Thanks Jones! that answered my question if the first gen would look different, i pulled your link and saw walters hatchling looked just like a kisatchie. guess we'll have to wait and see!

 

[Camby]

Thanks Jones! that answered my question if the first gen would look different, i pulled your link and saw walters hatchling looked just like a kisatchie. guess we'll have to wait and see!

Maybe we are looking at different photos from that link. The baby in Walter's photo does not look like a Kisatchie. It looks more corn to me than Kisatchie. In looking at that hatchling, the borders are more pronounced like a corn, the blotches are more corn like, the colors are more "reddish" not kisatchie looking, the lateral blotches are very corn looking and the head pattern is really corn looking. Just my opinion, but that snake doesn't look like the kisatchies I have seen. I would bet the snake now is starting to look more like a normal corn (pattern) with really brown blotches. Just my opinion.

Maybe Walter is reading this and will post updated pics of the baby or babies.

dc

 

[william prejean]

Just trying to get info here, i realized i misstated that, it should have been looks like a normal, but now you have brought up a new question.. i understand that kisatchies have a unique coloration, I have 2 of them, but i didnt know kisatchies and corns had much of a difference in head or blotch pattern?? i havent seen anything written about it , so if you know something let me know.. I love finding out new things.
Thanks Bill

 

[reptile_jones]

To me the last 1/2 of the baby looks Kisatchie to me. The brown/red saddle on a grey body says kisatchie influence to me. On the other hand if i did not know that Kisatchie was in the mix. I would call it a normal corn baby.

 

[Ssthisto]

but i didnt know kisatchies and corns had much of a difference in head or blotch pattern??

I did a little "Can you identify these corns" game on another forum, and threw three non-corns in there (my pair of Slowinski's ratsnakes and a greybanded kingsnake) to see who would assume that, because I described it with corns it must BE a corn.

One thing that everyone seemed to guess is that my Kisatchies were an anerythristic-effect homozygous diffused - most people identified them as Granites. They have pretty clear heads.