Kitsache ....

[Karolina25]

I think i'm going to buy a kitsache and i'm very curious what the hatchlings will be if I let my Snow or Sunglow female be the mother of the kitsaches hatclings

Do u know anything about a Kitsaches genes? Because that morph is very new for me

Can u help me ?

 

[CrazyCorn]

Kisatchie's actually are a different sub-species than the corn they are not a morph, and if you do mix them together you will get:

Snow corn x Kisatchie: 50%Cornsnake/50%Kisatchie or "Half breeds" or also known as hybrids and heteros.
Anery A & Amel or also known as Het. Snow.

Sunglow x Kisatchie: 50%Cornsnake/50%Kisatchie or "Half breeds" or also known as hybrids and heteros. Amel or/and POSS. Het. Hypo (Depends on heritage)

If I am correct as I believe I am. (But anybody even me can be wrong LOL)

 

[Shaky]

Elaphe guttata guttata is a cornsnake.
Elaphe guttata emoryi is a Great Plains ratsnake.
(See? Same species. Different sub-species, different names.)
Elaphe guttata slowinskii is a Kisatchie corn.
(Also a different sub-species.)

Crossing them isn't really a big deal at all. Since they are considered the same species, they can freely cross with no problems.
However, breeders and keepers are much less forgiving than nature. We want to be very sure what we're getting.

Crossing an amel E.g.guttata with an E.g.slowinskii will give you a bunch of little brownish snakes all het for amel. What are they called? 50/50 kisatchie corns. (Or something else. Doesn't matter really what you call them , as long as you make it clear what they are when you sell them.)

 

[Ronda]

I believe Kisatchies are distinguished as their own species (E. slowinskii) and not a subspecies of guttata.

http://www.csinews.net/IntheNews/burbrink1102.htm

There are so few Kisatchies available to hobbyists... If you are lucky enough to get your hands on them I would strongly recommend against hybridizing them. I can't think of a single Kisatchie afficionado who would want a 50/50 cross in their collection, or who would advocate such a cross. Those who keep Kisatchies generally want to keep them pure.

Besides, Kisatchies are a naturally dark snake, and crossing them with a corn would likely result in dark (ugly?) hybrids that have neither the lure of pure Kisatchie nor the color of a pure corn.

I'm not necessarily a purist (I own creamsicles) but I do feel strongly about the Kisatchies.

Off my soapbox now.

 

[Darin Chappell]

Ronda,

I agree with your attitudes toward crossing Kisatchies. I am not a purist in the sense that I dispise creamsicles and those who breed them, but I am certainly more cautious about the spread of emoryi genetics into corns than most are, that's for certain.

I was surprised to see that P. slowinskii was being held as a completely separate species from P. guttata. I went to the CNAH website, and they have also reclassified the Great Plains Rat Snake as a distinct species not to be listed under guttata any longer! So we now have Pantherophis obsoleta, guttata, emoryii, slowinskii, bairdi, vulpina, etc . . .

Personally, I have a hard time thinking that emoryi and guttata are no more closely related than obsoleta and vulpina. But, such is the inconsistant world of taxonomy, Eh?

 

[Kat]

I suppose it just depends on what you use as your measuring stick. Previously, it seemed that they were classified based on who would readily breed with whom, but the reclassification, IIRC, is based on genetics in common... It all depends on how you measure...

-Kat