Lavender Okeetee?

[Had1nowwant1]

At one of my local petshops they have baby okeeteeXlavender's. Iv never heard of a cross like this. Both morphs are complete opposite. They look like regular okeetee hatchlings. What ever it is i may be getting one

 

[Joejr14]

Okeetee isn't a morph, it's a 'locality' or a look.

Basically, you're buying a normal het lavender. I wouldn't spend more than $50 on a het lav, even if it's from a pet store.

 

[KatieL]

Hopefully I get this right, but...

The okeetees are probably just het for lavender, meaning they just carry the gene for it, and do not express the trait. So they would just basically be normal looking okeetees (or even just normal-looking normals, since the lavender probably did not carry the genes for the thick borders that okeetees [if you consider it a morph instead of a locality] are known for). The only reason that it would matter if it was het for lavender was if you were planning on breeding it. However, I think I heard somewhere that the normals het lavender have reduced orange in their background color (is that right guys?) so they generally have a duller background color than other normals. In any case, I'm sure they are adorable anyway. Let us know if you end up getting one.

Note: If I was wrong at any point feel free to correct me guys, I'm a little out of the loop today.

 

[Joejr14]

Hopefully I get this right, but...

The okeetees are probably just het for lavender, meaning they just carry the gene for it, and do not express the trait. So they would just basically be normal looking okeetees (or even just normal-looking normals, since the lavender probably did not carry the genes for the thick borders that okeetees [if you consider it a morph instead of a locality] are known for). The only reason that it would matter if it was het for lavender was if you were planning on breeding it. However, I think I heard somewhere that the normals het lavender have reduced orange in their background color (is that right guys?) so they generally have a duller background color than other normals. In any case, I'm sure they are adorable anyway. Let us know if you end up getting one.

Note: If I was wrong at any point feel free to correct me guys, I'm a little out of the loop today.

The only thing is with okeetee x lavender do you REALLY have okeetee babies, or just normals?

I say you've got normals, het for lavender. Okeetee isn't a morph, it's just a locality or color of normal, so either way taking a locality x morph doesn't give you a locality snake anymore---at least not in my opinion. And I very much doubt these okeetee x lavender snakes have the coloration or borders that a regular okeetee will have.

 

[Menhir]

I think, when most of the people use Okeetee - they mean Okeetee Phase that is the special look of the snake...

 

[KatieL]

The only thing is with okeetee x lavender do you REALLY have okeetee babies, or just normals?

Right, I was kinda fuzzy on that. I was going to say they'd just be normals...but then they are coming from Okeetee stock presumably. Honestly, I don't fully grasp the okeetee labeling when you are mixing okeetees with other types. Obviously they cannot be "het for Okeetee," but the babies are coming from okeetee heritage, so is that noteworthy when they are being sold/advertised? or do they basically have "tainted blood" in terms of okeetee-ness? this really is a rather curious topic...

 

[Serpwidgets]

A morph is any color/pattern/shape/size variation.

Okeetee, Miami, and "Upper Keys" are real morphs. So are candycane, sunglow, and reverse Okeetee.

Giant corns, mini corns, scaleless corns, bugeyed corns, or heavily keeled corns would all be morphs if there were lines of them.

Okeetee is just not "the same kind" of morph as lavender, in that lavender is the result of a "known" gene and its inheritance can be predicted using Mendelian laws. (That, and being lavender is objective whereas being Okeetee is subjective.)

The only thing is with okeetee x lavender do you REALLY have okeetee babies, or just normals?

Depends entirely on how they look.

 

[E. g. guttata]

The only thing is with okeetee x lavender do you REALLY have okeetee babies, or just normals?

Depends entirely on how they look.

I'm not sure. You and CAV have both seen my "Okeetee Phase" snakes, and while you may call them Okeetee, CAV thinks that they are just normal. Does it really depend on the look now??

 

[Had1nowwant1]

My bad i thought okeetee was a morph. Well these hatchlings look exactly like okeetee hatchlings. I think the owner meant they are okeetee het lavender. thanks for the replies.

 

[Menhir]

Take it that way - see it as Okeetee Phase, that means the snake has an orange background and brought black borders.
If you breed two of them together, you may have better chances that your lavender animals resemble the borders or a special background.

Okeetee is never a recessive trait.

In this case "Okeetee" is also not connected to the local animals of the Hunting Club - it just judges the snake by a special look it has. (...or is aid to have)

 

[Serpwidgets]

I'm not sure. You and CAV have both seen my "Okeetee Phase" snakes, and while you may call them Okeetee, CAV thinks that they are just normal. Does it really depend on the look now??

It has to, because lavender X Okeetee does not produce locale animals. Saying, "they are not okeetee because they don't fit the locale definition" is like saying, "they are not corn snakes because they are not made out of corn."

 

[E. g. guttata]

It has to, because lavender X Okeetee does not produce locale animals. Saying, "they are not okeetee because they don't fit the locale definition" is like saying, "they are not corn snakes because they are not made out of corn."

SHHHHHH!!! Don't let Gary hear such blashpemy!! :grin01: At least I can continue to call my Okeetees Okeetees and not Lookeetees. That's just annoying . I would be interested in seeing what a "Lavendar Okeetee" might look like. Would the lighter color in the saddles be grey? Hmmmmm :idea: