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morph differences

daisy

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I am having trouble with the morph of my latest corn. The breeder tells me it is a Miami, but I think it looks more Okeetee. Any ideas on how to tell the difference? I'll post a pic when I can get my camera working...
Thanks :)
 
Oh boy. You'll probably get as many opinions as there are individuals, but my view is:

Okeetee: Same basic colours as a Normal, but with thicker, crisp black saddle outlines. Overall, slightly more vivid than a Normal or Miami.

Miami: Silver-grey or paler brown background colour with red-brown saddles. Overall, slightly less red than a Normal or Okeetee.

The trouble is that you often see Normals labelled as Okeetee or Miami because this inflates the price a little for the seller. A photo would be best when you can manage it.
 
Kel is right, it's like asking "how much is a lot," hehe. ;)

Check out Walter Smith's pictures in the linked thread. http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17087 These are good examples of the differences.

An okeetee should have thick borders, the thicker the better, and some of them can get pretty ridiculous (and cool!) The desired ground color is a super bright blazing orange, too.

A miami phase can have thick or thin borders, it doesn't matter either way. That crispy clean ground color (light tan, or even better, light gray) is the thing that makes it a miami phase.
 
There is a hatchling from my '04 clutch that i'm currently considering a normal, because he has a very light background color, but his borders are heavy like an Okeetee's. I'll see if I can't get a pic of him here soon, I gave him to a friend of mine as a gift.
 
Ok...so I've taken some pics for you to look at...I should warn you...I'm a terrible photographer, so I appologize in advance for the crappiness of the shots.
Thanks for the help...I'm new at this!
 

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One thing for sure is...he/she is not a Miami phase. It looks like a very nice looking normal to me...:)
 
I asked the same question about my hatchling - Okeetee or normal? So I know where you're coming from. I'd say it's a normal - noce coloration, but the borders aren't thick enough for it to be an okeetee. And it is DEFINITELY not a Miami.
 
thanks for the advice...(not that it really matters what he is in the long run...) rip your description helps...
Here's another stupid question...what then consitutes a normal? Where do they come from? :shrugs:
I swear I'll figure all of this out eventually...
:)
 
daisy said:
...what then consitutes a normal? Where do they come from? :shrugs:
Normal is the default condition... a normal is any corn that is not "something other than a normal." ;)

Okeetee and Miami are not necessarily locales, Okeetees are either snakes that come from that locale, or ones that have the distinctive look of snakes coming from that locale. The latter are often called "Okeetee Phase" to specify they are not locality animals.

Miami Phase got its name because Rich Z noticed a lot of corns in pet shops in the Miami area had that "look" to them. Or, in his own words:

SerpenCo said:
The Miami Phase was a name I coined back in the late '70s from a group of corns I picked up in pet shops in, oddly enough, Miami.
You can read more about the origins of the name, and what it means, on this page. :)
 
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