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Motley (Hurricane?) Anery A? Anery B? Ghost?

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Tegucentric

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Motley (Hurricane?) Anery A? Anery B? Ghost?

It is indeed motley, possibly hurricane? It was sold as "Platinum Cornsnake" from a reptile reseller.

It appears to be an Anery A, which I base lightly on the yellow, but I know yellow has crept into the Anery B (Charcoals) as well, but it just appears a bit lighter then any of my younger Anerys A, but perhaps this is because of the pattern.

Here are several pictures. Though I realize you can't always be certain by a picture and breeding needs to be done to prove the genetics, I was just interested in everyone elses opinions.

I currently think it looks like a light colored Anery A Motley, possibly hurricane motley.

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Rick
 
Not a hurricane mot, and it's really impossible to say if it's an anery or if it's a charcoal. The obvious guess is anery----but it looks weird.

Only way to tell will be test breeding.
 
My three cents would include a guess at Anery Motley, seems to have the 'pastelly' look of an Anery and not a charcoal. I wouldn't call it a pastel motley cause it's not really pink, but there seems to be a hint of it in the pics.

D80
 
I would be more inclined towards Anery A Motley, myself as well. Its too pinkish looking, compared to the Charcoal Mots I've seen.

While not totally hurricane-ish looking, I can see why you'd think that. And I think by some people's defintions, it could probably fit. So I think the jury is out on that. But I wouldn't discount it either way.

Very beautiful snake, ultimately. Just goes to show you just can't trust the catchy names they try to sell their snakes with most of the time. Is it a male?
 
Oops, forgot the hurricane part. My vote would be a solid no on hurricane as there is the definite solid darkened bands around the circles. I know Don Soderberg has a great comparison pic on his site showing the difference.

D80
 
I knew that there was talk of naming a cultivar a "platinum" but to the best of my knowledge it never happened, so when I bought this as a "platinum cornsnake" I knew it was a sales tactic, but it was still a lovely snake and I had to have it.

Yes, it is a male so it should be pretty easy to prove out if it's A, B or Ghost. I think it looks much like a light A.

As far as hurricane, it's hard to define something that depends on the publics agreement to the description. Some claim it has to do with the saddle color matching the background, thus this snake, with it's rings around the motley spots, would be a hurricane. Then you have those who say that it has more too do with the thickness of the rings around the motley spots.

To me, it's not a normal motley. It may be a hurricane with thin rings or it may be something that no one really put a name on, thus it's just considered an untypical variation of the motley.

Either way, a nice snake and he is extremely friendly. I am pleased with the purchase and he will make a nice addition to my growing collection.

Rick
 
Drizzt80 said:
Oops, forgot the hurricane part. My vote would be a solid no on hurricane as there is the definite solid darkened bands around the circles. I know Don Soderberg has a great comparison pic on his site showing the difference.

D80
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I agree that Don has a great comparison image up for the hurricane versus standard motley, but this one does look closer to the hurricane than it does to a regular motley.

Do you not agree?

Rick
 
Tegucentric said:
Do you not agree?

Rick
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With respect, I don't agree. I originally believed, when I was first trying to get a handle on all the morphs, that hurricane meant complete circles down the back from head to tail. After researching more and more, I do believe that the thick borders are more of the accepted standard as to what a hurricane 'is'. Personally, I don't think the borders on your snake are all that thick/broad. They are well defined and stand out, but not to the extent that I'd expect to see in a hurricane. I also tend to hang onto the circles going all the way down the back as well, and since yours don't, it takes away from the thickness of the borders we are talking about.

Gorgeous Anery Motley none-the-less, but I wouldn't classify it as a hurricane.
:)
D80
 
I respect your opinion, just as I respect everyones opinion on here.

Discussions generally help not only get to the bottom of an issue, but also tend to clarify reasoning. (as well as make the lurkers out there to speak up and join in, which is always good for a community)

I was not asking if you agree that it's a hurricane. I was asking if you agreed that it was marked differently then a normal motley, and more like a hurricane.

Let's do this.. Here is a picture I compiled together of Don's example, a typical anery motley from your website and this motley.

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If you look at the typical motley (A), you will notice the saddles are darker then the background and the motley spots have no real 'rings' to speak of. This seems to be a typical motley in my eyes.

If you look at the other motley (B), you will notice the saddles are the same color as the background and the motley spots do have a black ring, it's just not thick like you would see in the pictures of high end hurricanes.

That was the point I was making. I am not claiming it is a hurricane, just that it's not what I concider a typical motley.

Note that the rings are not any thicker then they appear in the pictures, but the flash has lightened them to a light grey, they are actually a dark grey, almost black. They are the darkest color on the snake.

Rick
 
Well to me I agree the saddles look much different than that of a typical motley. And if it were mine, I'd call it a 'Tropical Depression' Motley. :grin01:

The shading isn't as dark as what would be the quintessential 'Hurricane Motley', but they're more pronounced than that of a typical Motley, of any morph.

I guess I have much less requirements when it comes to Hurricanes. To me, they're any Motley in which the circle is surrounded by a darker than normal coloring, doesn't have to be the thick circles, even if that is better.

Take a look at Don's Hurricane Ghost..doesn't look all that spectacular as far as a Hurricane goes, but I can see why he'd call it that. Seems to be the same difference as Tegu's, even if his looks better than Don's. ;)

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It looks totally like an Anery Motley from here.

I think that pattern is to Hurricane what Classic is to Okeetee. I agree with the "tropical depression" statement. :grin01: (IOW if that were my snake I would definitely not call it a hurricane.)
 
I'm not going to call it a hurricane because I do feel that for it to be a quality hurricane it needs to have thicker rings, though I do think it looks a little different from a typical motley. I would rather call it a quality motley, rather then a low end hurricane motley.

As far as the corns morph, I do think it does indeed look like an Anery A, which I will prove or disprove with breeding. I was just interested in other members opinions as well as getting a little discussion going.

Rick :)
 
Well, like everyone else, I would definitely say that was an anery and not a charcoal. But, I don't agree with it not being a hurricane pattern. It is not the best example of one, for sure, but it certainly looks like it qualifies itself to be called a hurricane motley. And I would bet if bred to another hurricane motley that it would produce some nice looking ones.

That's my .02 cents. :)
 
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i wouldnt say hurricane motley. not sure really what sort of motley it is either.
i know it is one, but is a tough one as its similar to many, anery, anery a,ghosts maybe pastel. hard one to call from a photo.
 
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