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KaspR

KaspR

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Hey guys,

My little guy is about 3 months old, he's eating fine, hwoever earlier on he did regurge twice but not consecutively, everything else has been fine up till last night. He has been very active felt strong when i would pick him up.

Last night I notices he was klying almost on his side with his head tilted to stare at the ground and he wasn't moving. I went to touch him and he still didnt move . His skin looks kind of pinched at his sides (not sure how else to explain it) I went to check on him a couple hours later and he was squirming and trying to shove his face into the substrate and then stopped and went limp and it didnt look like he was breathing. I thought he was dead and am so upset however I left him in the same place over night(in the warm side) and in the morning he was in a different place and position however still kinda tilted on his side staring off as if he couldn't see anything.

Someone told me this is how they act before they shed which he yet to do, however I always thought when they are ready to shed they hide not lie out in the open and when you go to touch them they tend to strike becuase they can't really see well and get startled, as well his eyes haven't "blued" over.
 
That is definitely not normal behavior or shed behavior. I do not know what it is but it sounds like some sort of neurological problem. Hopefully someone else with more experience will chime in. I'm sorry he is not doing well.



Joanna
 
It doesn't sound good for your little guy. :(
Try to get him to a vet.
Also try holding him close to his water bowl and see if he'll drink. Pinched skin sounds like dehydration.

Good Luck
 
Mary-Beth said:
It doesn't sound good for your little guy. :(
Try to get him to a vet.
Also try holding him close to his water bowl and see if he'll drink. Pinched skin sounds like dehydration.

Good Luck
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yah i was thinking dehydration as well but he lies in his water all the time. I read another thread with what sounds liek the same symtoms and it ended up being a blockage in the gigestive system.

It's so upsetting I've been taking such good care of this litle guy and paying so much attention to detail I really hope he pulls through and I hope(selfishly) that it hs not been due to soemthing I've done. :(
 
Lying in the water bowl could be a sign that the snake is too hot. What are your temps?

Other causes of lying in water can be shedding and snake mites.
 
Plissken said:
Lying in the water bowl could be a sign that the snake is too hot. What are your temps?

Other causes of lying in water can be shedding and snake mites.
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warm side is 87 cool side is 74, i hope its just shedding however he seems incoherent which I dont think happens during a shed, mites might be possible i can check for them, it would be aorund the eyes right? what should i be looking for and are they noticble to the naked eye?
 
KaspR said:
warm side is 87 cool side is 74, i hope its just shedding however he seems incoherent which I dont think happens during a shed, mites might be possible i can check for them, it would be aorund the eyes right? what should i be looking for and are they noticble to the naked eye?
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This is not normal shedding behavior.

How are you heating the viv and how are you measuring the temps? If you're using an UTH, is 87 the temp of the vivs floor under the substrate?

Mites look like pepper. Yes, you'd be able to see them.
 
Although mites are often seen around the eyes, if you can't see them on the eyes don't assume they aren't there. They can be seen anywhere on the body, although the head is a good place to start looking.

Look inside your water dish. If you have mites there may be tiny black specs on the bottom of the dish where your snake has soaked and drowned some of the mites. Yes mites are visible to the naked eye; they look like little black dots, or red dots if they've just been feeding (they drink blood.) You may also have mites on your hands after holding the snake if your infestation is severe.

I'm not saying your snake has mites, it's just something to check for. I find it best to eliminate every possibility. :)
 
yah i really dont think its mites either, i cant see them causing such odd and bad behaviour over night because the day before he was cting really healthy climbing aorund and everything.

can mites cause behaviour like this?
 
Mary-Beth said:
This is not normal shedding behavior.

How are you heating the viv and how are you measuring the temps? If you're using an UTH, is 87 the temp of the vivs floor under the substrate?

Mites look like pepper. Yes, you'd be able to see them.
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heating with a heat pad with a thermostat, i use a thermometre with a probe just a little under the top of the substrate,
 
KaspR said:
yah i really dont think its mites either, i cant see them causing such odd and bad behaviour over night because the day before he was cting really healthy climbing aorund and everything.

can mites cause behaviour like this?
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I don't know about your snake lying listless, etc, but they can make the snake seem very active. My python has mites at the moment and he is moving around a LOT out of irritation. I've also caught him rubbing his face and chin on things to ease the itching.
 
Plissken said:
I don't know about your snake lying listless, etc, but they can make the snake seem very active. My python has mites at the moment and he is moving around a LOT out of irritation. I've also caught him rubbing his face and chin on things to ease the itching.
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I'd be shocked if this were mites. I would say dehydration because of the skin you described, but you say he's always in his dish. Check your snakes mouth. Is there any mucus or white substance around his mouth/nostrils? It could be a respiratory disease or stomatitis. Either way definatley take your snake to a vet.


Hope all works out.


Kevin
 
Aislinn said:
I'd be shocked if this were mites.
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So would I, but like I said, best to cover all options. There's no good in not being 100% thorough where an animal is concerned.
 
thanks for all your tips and advice guys, the vet si definately in order, i hope he's still there when im done work today, but keep the advice coming, hopefully soemone has had a similar issue with a positive outcome to help me as well. but yah covering all options is the best thing.

it's weird as well, you know how cobras tighten the skin on their neck in defense ect.. while thats what my snake has done too but the onosite way so it looks kinda like a mohawn down the fist centimiter of his neck(torso)

im not sure if that may help
 
KaspR said:
it's weird as well, you know how cobras tighten the skin on their neck in defense ect.. while thats what my snake has done too but the onosite way so it looks kinda like a mohawn down the fist centimiter of his neck(torso)
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sorry for the typos, onosite=opposite
 
yah my girlfriend just confirmed that his eyes clouded ovger and he looks completely dead now :awcrap:


im really at a loss as to what may have caused this, nwo although he did lie aorund in his water dish, i never actually saw him drink, but im sure instinct would tell him to drink, and i cleaned his dish regularely
 
Sorry, it sounds like you did everything you could to give him a good life. Sometimes they just aren't meant to make it.
 
delhalew said:
Sorry, it sounds like you did everything you could to give him a good life. Sometimes they just aren't meant to make it.
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Thank you, i really did try my best with him, I educated myself fully before the purchase came on here all the time for advice and help if needed.

An update, he was dead when i got home and I noticed soemthing weird, he was an anery with black and white checks on his underside, however in the middle of his torso there was a yellowish area that was bulging and this was not there last ngiht or this morning.



So I'm thinking that maybe he did have a blockage in his digestive system or maybe somehow he ate a peeice of the aspen substrate and it got lodged. just speculation obviously.

it's a sad day in Adam's house today.
Thanks for your support though guys and gals.
 
I'm so sorry. Sometime it is just not meant to be. I believe what you are seeing on the belly is something that happens after the snake dies. I believe some people have said that it is related to the gall bladder.

I hope you can find another cornsnake to give a good home.


Joanna
 
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