Pewter X Lava Okeetee

[ecreipeoj]

This was one of the projects that was tops on my list this year. This looks like a very good start.

This Lava Okeetee is one of my favorites and is from my wild caught line. I like using her to start projects because she only passes on the Lava Hypo gene with heavy Okeetee influence.

 

[princess]

Not too shabby Joe!

That Pewter is gorgeous, are you looking at making diffused phantoms with this project?

 

[ecreipeoj]

Not exactly. A Phantom is a Hypo Charcoal. These will be het for Lava, so the Phantom name may not be appropriate.

I had “Ice” Pewters in mind or Lava Pewters if you prefer.

Hypo Pewters will be produced in a few more numbers very soon. Will they be Hypo Pewters or something else? I have heard talk of “Silver” Corns for them, which would probably work for these guys as well.

It will be fun to see how the name game plays out on those two new morphs.

 

[Simon]

Awesome~
Love that Lava Okeetee you have there~~
Just awesome~
the size is very nice too~~~~

 

[Hurley]

Hey Joe,

The kids from my Pewter x Lava crossing are starting off well. I am interested to see the differences in a few years between your light pewter and Okeetee markings vs. my darker pewter female and Moses's dark reds. I just can't wait.

Some pics for ya...

Mom (Tess - Pewter het anery)
Stuffed full of eggs

Dad (Moses - Lava het anery)

And a few babies (normals and anery)

 

[LukeH]

Joe.....and hurley, thats an awesome project. Should be rewarding. Joe that is one nice pewter, I like the light ones.

LukeH
:sidestep:

 

[El Jefe]

Close...but not quite

So I missed the charcoal gene with this breeding. I did hit it with a different lava pairing. My pewters were all used up in a different project. Plus, I had a good idea Joe and maybe a few others would hit the pewter lava combo this year.

So, only lava X blood for this pairing. I also have lava X blizzard going to get the charcoal but the lava pewter is probably going to be pretty cool. I'll guess I'll have to wait until next year for that pairing. Oh well, one year behind isn't that bad.

Enjoy.

Ps. Yeah, I know, my blood isn't a GREAT example, but he isn't half bad either.

 

[ecreipeoj]

Hey Joe,

The kids from my Pewter x Lava crossing are starting off well. I am interested to see the differences in a few years between your light pewter and Okeetee markings vs. my darker pewter female and Moses's dark reds. I just can't wait.

Isn’t it great when they take right off like they are suppose to!

It will be very interesting to compare hatchling Lava/Charcoal/Bloods in couple of years. Carlos hatched out 2.1 hets last year and I am sure that he will try for more this year. I am not sure what the difference will be in color from light vs. dark parents.

The two color genes will cancel each other out, so I am not sure if the darkness or lightness of them will have much effect on the out come, but it may. The Lava Charcoals are pretty light as it is. The only difference will be the added diffused pattern. Bloods add a touch of class to everything they are introduced into, which is very hard to describe. It will be very interesting to see how the Blood gene adds class to the Lava gene.

It will be sweet to have the Lava/Blood combos being independently produced on at least four fronts now. They will have a very strong beginning without any of the inbreeding problems that are sometimes seen in new morphs.

 

[ecreipeoj]

So, only lava X blood for this pairing.

Congratulations on this pairing Jeff! You are the fourth person that I know of to combine the Lava and Blood genes together. This combo will have a very strong beginning.

I bred a Blood X Lava together last year and to my surprise both of them were het for Anery, so I have 2.1 Anerys het Lava Bloods and several Hets for Lava/Bloods poss het Anery from that breeding. The Lava female could also be het for Amel as well, but I hope not.

Hurley produced a few Anerys het Lava Bloods this year as well that are also het for Anery B. Talk about a short cut to Ice Bloods. A 1 in 16 chance is a whole lot better than a 1 in 64 chance.

 

[Carlos]

And Guys, wait to see the Blizzards when the Lava is in the mixt.LOL

 

[ecreipeoj]

And Guys, wait to see the Blizzards when the Lava is in the mixt.LOL

I am not sure if you are joking or not by the “LOL” at the end, but I personally do not have high hopes for Lava Blizzards or Lava Snows as a whole. There may be some very unique individuals pop up that can be selectively bred for such as Coral Snows (Hypo Snows) that will prove me wrong.

I am sure that I have seen a few Lava Snows as hatchlings, but never held onto them. If I had raised them up, perhaps I would have seen some differences in them. I had to get a few from the many Het Lava Snow (Lava/Amel/Anery A ) breedings that I have done, but only one ever caught my eye which was a high pink one. I still have him, but he just looks like a high pink Snow Okeetee. I have never bred him to a Lava to prove him out. There must have been more. I did hatch out one Snow that looked like a glossy Blizzard with strong yellow on his sides, that may have been homo for Lava, but I never bred him either.

I did notice Amel Lavas in the clutches and saved them out and later proved that they were in fact Lava Amels. They are as different in a clutch as Sunglows and Amel Okeetees would be if they could be hatched out in the same clutch.

It is very likely that Carlos hatched out some Amel Lavas and perhaps Lava Blizzards last year. I remember him complaining that his first clutch from Hets for Lava Blizzard (Lava, Amel, Anery B) were mostly Amels and Blizzards. There wasn’t a single Lava in the group and he wasn’t sure if his snakes were actually het for Lava since he had bought them. It is very likely that there were some homo Lavas in that first group (Amel Lavas, Lava Blizzards), they were just not immediately recognizable to him. Carlos hit pay dirt in his second clutch and produced the first Charcoal Lavas.

Genetically, a Lava Blizzard or Lava Snow is pretty cool, but only time will tell if the combo has a certain mix that will produce a phenotype that will stand the test of time.

 

[Carlos]

I keep two Blizzards from last year lavaxcharcoal breeding, only to breed them to the Blizzards from the BloodredXblizzard project that I have. Maybe i'm wrong but I bid that some good stuff will show up from that project.

 

[ecreipeoj]

I do not think you are wrong. The results of any new project are never known, until they are completed. I think they are all worth while. I think that Lavas and Bloods are both very good ingredients to any project.

I think that Blizzard Bloods will be very interesting indeed. My point was, that there are many “white” snakes of many different morphs, like Snows and Opals. There is a lot of variation in all of them thankfully, but a new morph such as a Blizzard Blood, will have to stand out as something different other than just their genetics to be special.

If a Hypo Ultra Snow Blizzard Blood was created that looked similar to a common Snow or Blizzard, then they would be special genetically, but perhaps not be a special phenotype. Now if they looked like “blown glass” then obviously they would be extremely desirable.

Hum, Lava Blizzard Bloods may be possible from your project. They might be cool!