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Ruby red eyes

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I want to buy a Blizzard Corn Snake. I saw the picture of it on Serpen Co. I think the red eyes are cool. I was wondering if all blizzards have that ruby red eyes with the pupils not being visible. Also, are the ruby red eyes permenent, or is it just a phase. I hope it's permenent because I don't like pupiled snakes... They look scary because it makes them seem like they're constantly looking at you, and they can't blink. The ruby red eyes of the Blizzard and Candy Cane are awesome!!
 
I know someone who has a candy cane and it has red eyes but you can still see the pupils.
I think the pupiled eyes are kind of cute...they're so big and round. Well my snakes's eyes are.
 
hahaha I have 4 of the snakes that I have with red eys and you still can see the pupils. Of course they are not as obvious as the normal looking eyes but still you can see them. I have 1.1 Candy cane & 1.1 amel

Either normal looking or red eyes, I would say all of them are nice!

Good luck and Happy Herping!
 
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As long as the pupils are not too conspicious (like those of the large boas and pythons), I'm cool.

So those born with red eyes have red eyes permenently? I mean, their eye color doesn't change during their life, do they?
 
They have red eyes because they're amelanistic (sometimes they have other recessive traits, too). Without melanin, their eyes cannot be the normal color, and so they're red. They stay red for their whole lives, just like albino bunnies or other animals.
 
Oh that's cool. Then I'm going to get an amelanistic blizzard corn. And later I'm probably gonna get an amelanistic candy cane corn. Those are SWEET lookin' (pun not intended). Thanks for the info!!
 
FYI:

All blizzards are amelanistic.

All candycanes are amelanistic.

Snows, sunglows, reverse Okeetees, creamsicles, opals, butters... there are lots of morphs that are based on amelanism, so if pink eyes are the big turn-on, you have many choices. :)
 
As far as I know, yes, all amelanistics have red eyes. And all blizzards are amels. But I do recall seeing a pic of a white corn(?) snake with blue eyes. Maybe it was just a trick of the camera, or possibly a new mutation? Anyone ese know?
 
leucistic

I've seen some other rat snakes that were leucistic, they are all white with dark eyes. I don't think I've ever seen a corn snake like that however...
 
Well, whatever it is, I'll just request my vendor to make sure that the blizzard and or corn snake I'm buying has ruby red eyes!!
 
What is a ruby eyed ghost then?Are they then amelinistic also? Are they then triple het ,as a typical ghost is only anery and hypo right?
 
Um, I don't think you can have a ruby-eyed ghost. A ghost, like you said, is anery and hypo. The combination of anery, hypo, and amel all showing in one animal is impossible. Hypomelanistic means the animal has less melanin than normal. Amelanistic means there is no melanin.

The only explanation I can think of for a red-eyed ghost would be that it's super-hypo. So little melanin that it's almost an amel, and the eyes look red. I've never heard of such a thing, but if there is a ruby-eyed ghost, that's what I think it'd have to be.
 
The original Lavenders/mochas had ruby red eyes I don't know if they ever figured out if it was a separate trait or not. But I think that is where the ruby eyed ghosts came from
 
Um, I don't think you can have a ruby-eyed ghost.
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Yes, these do exist. :)

"Ruby" does not describe the color of an amel's eyes anyway. Amels have pink eyes. Ruby is much darker. I haven't seen the ruby-eyed ghosts or lavenders, but I'd imagine they are not the same color as amels.

The combination of anery, hypo, and amel all showing in one animal is impossible. Hypomelanistic means the animal has less melanin than normal. Amelanistic means there is no melanin.
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If an animal is homozygous for all 3 of these traits, it looks like a snow corn because it is both anery and amel.

It has not been proven either way whether or not hypomelanism can affect the phenotype when amelanism is being expressed.

Several "very big name" breeders create sunglow corns by using hypo and amel together. Is it because hypo is expressed in sunglows? Is it because hypo is linked to other traits that are expressed and make the difference? Is it something else entirely?

Until the entire mechanism behind hypo can be determined, it is not possible to say with any certainty that hypo cannot be expressed alongside amelanism.
 
sorry this has taken so long to post.

Here is a pic of my ruby eyed ghost (from South Mountain Reptiles)sorry you can't see the eyes better but he did not want to co-operate.This is the best out of six pics.
 

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Serp,


Hypomelanistic means the animal has less melanin than normal.
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I agree with your definition, however if you look at a Hypo Lavender, there really appears that there is an orange or coral wash over the darker colors.
Could the melanin mask all that color? Quite confusing? Maybe I'm missing something here.
 
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Serp,
I agree with your definition, however if you look at a Hypo Lavender, there really appears that there is an orange or coral wash over the darker colors.
Could the melanin mask all that color? Quite confusing? Maybe I'm missing something here.
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Actually that's not my definition, I quoted someone else and then disagreed with it. ;)

It's a term applied to it because that is what it appears to be. But "appears" is the key word. I totally agree with you that the term "Hypomelanism" may not describe exactly what is happening, or may not describe everything that is happening.

It would be interesting to see what kind of mechanism there really is behind this trait. :)
 
Serp,
oooopps! Your right that was not your qoute.
I have quite a few hypos-many of them het for different lineage. It's very interesting in that the het gene has a dramatic effect on how different each of them look.

This has drifted away from the original subject, many of the quote "ruby eyes" I have seen have been in very young snakes. Does anyone know if this color changes and are the ruby eyes a genetic trait that can be passed on or just random?
 
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