same gene?

[scottsquatch]

Does anybody here know if the gene in yellow creamsicles is the same gene that is found in butters? I was told by one breeder that crossing the two will produce a very yellow snake, but the more I learn, it seems likely that I would end up with normals. Can anybody straighten me out on this one? All knowledgable answers appreciated. Thanks.

 

[D&LCornSnakes]

creamsicles are hybrids between a rat snake and a corn snake. butters are 100% corn snake homozygous caramel and amel. breeding the two will only muddy up pure corn snake blood. their pairing will produce normals and amels het caramel, and butters will produce all butters. by line breeding butters it is possible to produce very yellow snakes, and 100% full blooded cornsnakes usually sell better then hybrids.

 

[Roy Munson]

breeding the two will only muddy up pure corn snake blood.

So how do you really feel about hybrids? :grin01:

Does anybody here know if the gene in yellow creamsicles is the same gene that is found in butters? I was told by one breeder that crossing the two will produce a very yellow snake, but the more I learn, it seems likely that I would end up with normals. Can anybody straighten me out on this one? All knowledgable answers appreciated. Thanks.

Hey Scott. The common gene between creamsicles and butters is: amelanism. There are a lot of buttery looking creamsicles out there. A creamsicle is an amel corn/emoryi hybrid. A butter is an amel caramel. So if you breed a cream x butter, you end up with creams het caramel (i.e. amel hybrids het caramel). No normals. I don't doubt that this would produce very yellow snakes. Buttercreams might be even more impressively yellow. Hope this helps.

 

[D&LCornSnakes]

oh yea, thats right. there would be no normals since both the snake are amel. dunno what i was thinkin.

 

[cornsnake00]

Creamsicle x Butter = Amel + normal.
Check out photogallery, when is a butter not a butter and you will see what happens.

 

[CARattler40]

Creamsicle x Butter = Amel + normal.

What? :shrugs:

A creamsicle should be treated like any other amel when talking about progeny outcomes, except with added Emoryi blood. Like Dean said, a creamsicle x a butter would give you amels, which would be "creams" in this case, 75% corn, 25% Emoryi (assuming the creamsicle is a 50/50).

 

[cornsnake00]

What? :shrugs:

A creamsicle should be treated like any other amel when talking about progeny outcomes, except with added Emoryi blood. Like Dean said, a creamsicle x a butter would give you amels, which would be "creams" in this case, 75% corn, 25% Emoryi (assuming the creamsicle is a 50/50).

My mistake, I was thinking of the thread in the Photo Gallery where a Creamsicle was mated with a caramel het amel.That is why he had normals.

 

[scottsquatch]

uh...thanks?

Yeah, I am aware that creamsicles are hybrids. I have some and I personally like them. Nice and thick robust snakes. To each his own I guess. The question I had was... "Would they produce really yellowish creamsicles when bred to a butter?" Thanks Dean for the input. BTW, should I start a waiting list for "muddy corns"?

 

[paulh]

In my opinion, caramel dilutes the orange/red to yellow. And the emoryi influence reduces the amount of orange/red from the amount the corn has. So combining the two might produce a lighter yellow color than you want. I do not know if anyone has actually done this, so it's just my opinion.

My opinion of species and subspecies crosses: :madeuce:

 

[cornsnake00]

Yeah, I am aware that creamsicles are hybrids. I have some and I personally like them. Nice and thick robust snakes. To each his own I guess. The question I had was... "Would they produce really yellowish creamsicles when bred to a butter?" Thanks Dean for the input. BTW, should I start a waiting list for "muddy corns"?

It seems that the yellow in butters comes from the combination of caramel and amel. My amel het caramel show alot of yellow. It would seem that by adding caramel to your creams that you might get a yellow cream, but not a guarantee.